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Back to her poor husband, do you think she shares all of her twitter wars at the dinner table with him? I would go nuts if I were him.


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I don't think so, July and this woman have probably already rationalized their racism...


Just five years ago I would have taken issue with the term "racism" being used in this context. An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present. And the idea of racism against white men would have been absurd in 1956 or even 2016. That's the basis for our local meme, "white men will be fine."

Will they though? A whole lot has changed in a very short time. To a point where major corporations aren't considering the resumes of white men in certain circumstances and a U.S. senator is refusing to confirm any cabinet nominees by the president of her own party if they are white men. And nobody seems very upset about it. It's as if it's "normal."

White men are no longer in charge at our universities, at the Pentagon, or at the "paper of record." The power of "whiteness" has dissipated rather quickly.

So yeah, I do think it's racist when someone like Julie DiCaro blames "white men" for a crime rather than blaming the one person who actually committed it. And you know what? I'm gonna bet Hemal Jhaveri will be fine.



Explain to us this power that chas has over anyone, or anything.

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Let's imagine things Julie would say and post them here.

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I don't think so, July and this woman have probably already rationalized their racism...


Just five years ago I would have taken issue with the term "racism" being used in this context. An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present. And the idea of racism against white men would have been absurd in 1956 or even 2016. That's the basis for our local meme, "white men will be fine."

Will they though? A whole lot has changed in a very short time. To a point where major corporations aren't considering the resumes of white men in certain circumstances and a U.S. senator is refusing to confirm any cabinet nominees by the president of her own party if they are white men. And nobody seems very upset about it. It's as if it's "normal."

White men are no longer in charge at our universities, at the Pentagon, or at the "paper of record." The power of "whiteness" has dissipated rather quickly.

So yeah, I do think it's racist when someone like Julie DiCaro blames "white men" for a crime rather than blaming the one person who actually committed it. And you know what? I'm gonna bet Hemal Jhaveri will be fine.



Explain to us this power that chas has over anyone, or anything.


That's the point. If some random low level white guy says a racial slur it doesn't matter. He's the outcast. He's shunned. And the act is not really hurting anyone anymore than being called asshole.

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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."

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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.

Wasn’t that particular definition introduced by CRT enthusiasts to give cover to their overt racism?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."



Being called a cracker is just as racist as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.

Wasn’t that particular definition introduced by CRT enthusiasts to give cover to their overt racism?



There are kernels of truth in CRT and some legitimate issues that CRT ostensibly seeks to address. That's the thing that makes it so dangerous.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."

Because bigotry isn’t defined by race.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."



Being called a cracker is just as racist as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.


I know you're capable of real intellectual discussion, but apparently you prefer to take the cum route.

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So this USA Today lady, diversity and inclusion, this is the kind of crap she writes? Another person that shits on people with different beliefs?

"Oral Roberts University isn't the feel good March Madness story we need"
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/03/oral-roberts-ncaa-anti-lgbtq-code-of-conduct

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"As a private university and under the banner of fundamentalist Christian beliefs, the school is free to impose whatever standards of behavior they see fit, even if those standards are wildly out of line with modern society and the basic values of human decency. Now, as Oral Roberts gains national attention, the focus shouldn’t just be on their very good men’s basketball team, but on their prejudiced teachings and moral regressiveness.

That Oral Roberts wants to keep its students tied to toxic notions of fundamentalism that fetishize chastity, abstinence and absurd hemlines is a larger cultural issue that can be debated. What is not up for debate however is their anti-LGBTQ+ stance, which is nothing short of discriminatory and should expressly be condemned by the NCAA."

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May we get a count of how many of us are mouth breathers? While I cannot type or write for shit, I tend to think of myself as fairly well spoken.


I am a mouth-breather--and drooler--by choice.

It scares the shit out of people.


But that is for effect. You strike me as highly intelligent and well read.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.


I read what Jorr wrote and have debated it myself. There is a large important difference between prejudice and racism. And I find it very hard to be believe that true racism can exist in America against white people. There is a massive power imbalance. And while you may be able to point to specific examples where the power is the other way, white people control most of the levers of power in this country.

I mean, can a white person be racist against another white person? Oh I dunno anymore.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."

Because bigotry isn’t defined by race.


The power is what makes it racism. If someone hates you because of your immutable qualities and it has no effect on your life, so what? That's bigotry. But once that hatred can be and is used by someone in power to make decisions that really affect you, it becomes racism.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.

Wasn’t that particular definition introduced by CRT enthusiasts to give cover to their overt racism?



There are kernels of truth in CRT and some legitimate issues that CRT ostensibly seeks to address. That's the thing that makes it so dangerous.

Attaching power to racism turns it into an ever shifting word without any real meaning. The same behavior can be both racist and non-racist, depending on the context.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."

Because bigotry isn’t defined by race.


The power is what makes it racism. If someone hates you because of your immutable qualities and it has no effect on your life, so what? That's bigotry. But once that hatred can be and is used by someone in power to make decisions that really affect you, it becomes racism.

Who decides how "power" is defined in the "racism = bigotry + power" equation? Is it a macro-scale definition, like which group has the ability to do the most, or micro-scale and situation-dependent, like a store owner and customer? What about people with little or no "power", are they still capable of racism because other people that look like them have "power"?

Do you see how clunky this new definition is, and how quickly it is rendered absurd?


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Attaching power to racism turns it into an ever shifting word without any real meaning.


Why do you say that? Why does the concept of race exist in the first place?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.

Wasn’t that particular definition introduced by CRT enthusiasts to give cover to their overt racism?



There are kernels of truth in CRT and some legitimate issues that CRT ostensibly seeks to address. That's the thing that makes it so dangerous.

Attaching power to racism turns it into an ever shifting word without any real meaning. The same behavior can be both racist and non-racist, depending on the context.


Being required to think critically about something instead of placing things into easily defined categories rots.

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Who decides how "power" is defined in the "racism = bigotry + power" equation?


The guy riding the mule and cracking the whip has the power.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."

Because bigotry isn’t defined by race.


The power is what makes it racism. If someone hates you because of your immutable qualities and it has no effect on your life, so what? That's bigotry. But once that hatred can be and is used by someone in power to make decisions that really affect you, it becomes racism.

Bigotry is not solely linked to immutable qualities. If Denis decides he hates Jews, he’s a bigot. That most Jews happen to be white (which presumably, Denis is as well) doesn’t matter. There’s nothing about religion that’s immutable in the traditional sense of the word.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."

Because bigotry isn’t defined by race.


The power is what makes it racism. If someone hates you because of your immutable qualities and it has no effect on your life, so what? That's bigotry. But once that hatred can be and is used by someone in power to make decisions that really affect you, it becomes racism.

Bigotry is not solely linked to immutable qualities. If Denis decides he hates Jews, he’s a bigot. That most Jews happen to be white (which presumably, Denis is as well) doesn’t matter. There’s nothing about religion that’s immutable in the traditional sense of the word.


You're getting into semantics here. Let's call it bigotry based on race then.

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Attaching power to racism turns it into an ever shifting word without any real meaning.


Why do you say that? Why does the concept of race exist in the first place?

Because power dynamics shift in almost every interaction. I’d assume race was conceived as a way to categorize people.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."



Being called a cracker is just as racist as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.


I know you're capable of real intellectual discussion, but apparently you prefer to take the cum route.


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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.


I read what Jorr wrote and have debated it myself. There is a large important difference between prejudice and racism. And I find it very hard to be believe that true racism can exist in America against white people. There is a massive power imbalance.



My point was that that has changed in a hurry. Your last sentence is almost certainly not true right now. Don McNeil worked at the NYT for what, 30 years? Highly respected, but an old white man. He did not have power to get Nikole Hannah-Jones fired. The opposite was true. Strom Thurmond isn't standing up in Congress refusing to confirm a qualified black candidate that JFK proffers for a cabinet position. It's Tammy Duckworth doing that to white men. Who has the whip hand?

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Attaching power to racism turns it into an ever shifting word without any real meaning.


Why do you say that? Why does the concept of race exist in the first place?

Because power dynamics shift in almost every interaction. I’d assume race was conceived as a way to categorize people.



Categorize them for what purposes? And who had the power to set the categories and what they meant?

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Who decides how "power" is defined in the "racism = bigotry + power" equation?


The guy riding the mule and cracking the whip has the power.


Scenario A: A customer walks into an ice cream parlor and attempts to place an order, the store owner who is behind the counter refuses to take his order, saying the store doesn't serve people of the customer's race.

Scenario B: A customer walks into an ice cream parlor and attempts to place an order; the store owner who is behind the counter asks the customer to put on a mask as per COVID guidelines, and the customer goes nuts, calling the store owner a racial slur.

Who has the "power" in each scenario? Does one or both scenarios feature racism? In either scenario, is whether the actions are deemed racist dependent on the race of the individual actors?


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.

Wasn’t that particular definition introduced by CRT enthusiasts to give cover to their overt racism?



There are kernels of truth in CRT and some legitimate issues that CRT ostensibly seeks to address. That's the thing that makes it so dangerous.

Attaching power to racism turns it into an ever shifting word without any real meaning. The same behavior can be both racist and non-racist, depending on the context.


Being required to think critically about something instead of placing things into easily defined categories rots.

I imagine I’m on a path toward a semen joke, but...

‘Easily defined’ is the foundation of language. There are many perfectly good words that describe the exercise of power over an ‘out’ group - oppression being a great example. Those words just don’t carry the same sting as racism.

Far as I can tell, redefining racism to include ‘power’ is a means to give cover to the ‘white people are evil’ crowd.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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An imbalance of power must exist for racism to be present.

Nah.



Obviously. "Bigotry" is not synonymous with "racism."

Because bigotry isn’t defined by race.


The power is what makes it racism. If someone hates you because of your immutable qualities and it has no effect on your life, so what? That's bigotry. But once that hatred can be and is used by someone in power to make decisions that really affect you, it becomes racism.


african american mayor, state's attorney, police chief, policeman and offender has still been defined as an imbalance of power

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You're getting into semantics here. Let's call it bigotry based on race then.

That’s literally what we’re both doing - arguing the meaning of a word. I’d agree that bigotry based on race = racism. Just like I’m sure you’d agree that Denis’ hypothetical bigotry based on religion would be anti-semitism, but not necessarily racism.

Things get weird when we get into the ‘race is a social construct’ yet ‘society is inherently racist’ dynamic because it takes a fundamental reimagining of words as we know them.

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