Lab created diamonds cost essentially the same as natural diamonds now. I imagine that we'll have an industry to create every "ingredient" in a lab

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Battery technology is making strides every year. For the time being, electric vehicles will remain a niche, local driving novelty. But as we move forward, they will take over. Unless some other mode of propulsion appears out of nowhere. You horse and buggy folks should be fine for the rest of your lives.

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That isn't the question though. The question is if electric cars are actually better for the environment. I assume that you, just like anyone else I've ever asked, don't really have a straight answer to the question.

And if you really cared about the environment, returning to horses and buggies might be the way to go, right?

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yes they are. the new battery development has kept environmental impact in mind. and with most homes going solar over the next 20 years, it will be very clean to charge your car at home, which is what most people do anyway. most electric car owners never use a public charging station.

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What straight answer do you want? The tech isn't currently remarkably better for the environment but it will be. We can do things with the electric grid you can't do with an internal combustion engine.

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It really isn't the big question. The question is where will we come up with reliable, stable, cheap energy for a world that constantly demands more and more? First step would be to quit pretending wind and solar is THE solution. It's only a small part.

This article seems to say the same thing:

https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archiv ... egion.html

It looks like in our area of the country, a hybrid would be more environmentally friendly, at least from a carbon standpoint.

its quite likely a huge part. its getting cheap enough to be widely adopted. if the majority of the homes in america had solar, and they all had their own battery packs, the efficiency would be insane. and extremely reliable.

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It's good for single family houses and that's it. How much of the grid goes to single family homes? Whatever that percentage is makes it a small part, a medium part, or a large part. If it's a medium or large part, then I stand corrected.

I haven't searched out any studies or articles proving one way or the other. But comparing a fully mature IC vehicle industry with decades of infrastructure to EVs which have only been around for a decade isn't a fair comparison.

The ceiling for EVs would indicate they are environmentally superior. However, there are many obstacles (political, cultural, economic/logistical) that could prevent the EV market from reaching its fullest potential.

The premise of your post is really silly. What technology jumps from infancy to maturity without gradual advancement?

I'll ask it in another way.

Which do you think is better for the environment?
1) Running your house off an electrical grid connection.
2) Running your house off a gas powered generator.

Maybe 2 is the answer, but it seems as if it is not a common choice for the non-Unabomber parts of society.

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Stop acting like electricity is created by magic. Most of it is created by pouring coal dust into the environment.

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Are you saying we're going to innovate our way out of environmental catastrophe? If you really believe that, then how is the answer crippling American business- the major source of innovation over the past century and a half- with draconian regulation?

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So which is it?

All electricity generation has some sort of environmental impact. All gas powered engines have some sort of environmental impact. The question is which is less of one, and which one has the best chance to be better.

It's ok if you don't want to own an electric car but it's pretty obvious that electric cars have the potential to be far better for the environment as they have a wider adoption and upgrades to our electric grid to handle the added demand.

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I'm not against electric cars. Don't confuse me with one of those "you can have my gas-guzzling SUV if you can pry the steering wheel out of my cold dead hands" people. I'd prefer not to have a car at all if such were feasible. You're the guy who is always sneering at public transportation. And I love Tesla and the elegance of those cars. I'm just looking for the real answer re: environmental impact. Because it honestly seems to me driving around in a Prius is just empty virtue signalling like wearing a COVID mask or putting a BLM sign on the lawn of your ridiculous mansion.

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Owning an EV is virtue signalling...until it isn't.

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Most public transportation is horrible. NYC does it well. It's very good at getting people to work during prime time. It pretty much sucks at everything else.

I'm not arguing it isn't better for the environment or there would be ways to actually make it good.

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Batteries are always going to be the key and also the problem. Need them to have great hold/use times without “memory” problems. Also need to last many years. Environmentally as was mentioned the charging electricity source matters. Also the raping of the land for battery manufacturing and what to do with dead ones later are things to look at.

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The environmental impact of EV's and recycling in MANY places is far greater than what was in place for centuries before.

That's just a cold, hard fact.

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Yes, innovating solutions to alleviate the negative impacts of weather would be preferable.

A Prius is a hybrid vehicle that uses an internal combusion engine and battery. They are very well built cars with fantastic gas mileage. Not sure what's virtue signaling about a Prius?

What businesses are getting hit with draconian regulation? The car companies seem to love the idea of electric only cars. They aren't being forced to do it. They want to.

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I'm pretty sure this is going to affect some businesses:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 2030-biden

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There's a racing series that runs electric cars called Formula-E. I watched the race in Long Beach a few years ago. It was lame. You could talk when the cars were going by. You could hear the tires. The cars made the same whine that a Scalextric slot-car makes. People were laughing...it didn't go ever well and they haven't been back since. I guess they're doing a race in New York this year. Right now its a loser because they can't make money on the races. Its being propped up on corporate sponsors who do it for PR and cities dumb enough to hold one of their events. You get there and there's a velvet roped off area with a bar and big screens for sponsors and politicians that are comped. Then there's a small grandstand area that sits empty because nobody wants to pay to watch this. Everyone else just walks around the track and watches for free from different vantage points. They used to charge a sanction fee but the cities were losing so much money they dropped it. Audi and BMW realized its a loser and are walking away. Porsche just decided to get in most likely for PR reasons after Volkswagen got hit with that 3 billion dollar fine for cheating on emissions tests.

I guess it's time to tear up the Paris Accords. Throw out the old goals that couldn't be met and have new goals that won't be met.

No, but it may be time for Ole Joe to learn the meaning of the word "existential."

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How? Most environmental improvement plans seems to subsidize or reward creating less pollution.

However, are you now against the very concept of trying to limit emissions in any way? It's been like that worldwide for over a century.

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