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Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.

I think you’d agree the journalistic value here is different than when Gawker published a grainy video of the Hulkster railing a shock jock’s wife.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.


Boy, if I was actually saying what you're saying I'm saying I'd look like a real dumbass.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.

I think you’d agree the journalistic value here is different than when Gawker published a grainy video of the Hulkster railing a shock jock’s wife.

Considering the only qualifier in this instance appears to be the public has some right to know about what REALLY rich people report to the government on their individual returns, I'd say the journalistic value is about the same as who the Hulkster porks.
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.


Boy, if I was actually saying what you're saying I'm saying I'd look like a real dumbass.

How rich can a person be before their tax returns become fair game for reporters to seek out and publish?
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.


Boy, if I was actually saying what you're saying I'm saying I'd look like a real dumbass.

How rich can a person be before their tax returns become fair game for reporters to seek out and publish?

$52.

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Considering the only qualifier in this instance appears to be the public has some right to know about what REALLY rich people report to the government on their individual returns, I'd say the journalistic value is about the same as who the Hulkster porks.


These are more than really rich people. They are more powerful than most elected officials. They have an unnatural amount of power and influence over the government. So slightly more a part of the public discussion than Hulk Hogan's sex tape. Though that too was an interesting legal case.

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Darkside wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.


Boy, if I was actually saying what you're saying I'm saying I'd look like a real dumbass.

How rich can a person be before their tax returns become fair game for reporters to seek out and publish?

$52.

I teed you up for a 37 joke there man come on.
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I teed you up for a 37 joke there man come on.

37 tees.
The $52 just makes men naked.

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Considering the only qualifier in this instance appears to be the public has some right to know about what REALLY rich people report to the government on their individual returns, I'd say the journalistic value is about the same as who the Hulkster porks.


These are more than really rich people. They are more powerful than most elected officials. They have an unnatural amount of power and influence over the government. So slightly more a part of the public discussion than Hulk Hogan's sex tape. Though that too was an interesting legal case.


WfR and SpiralStairs tag-teaming JLN. It's like Spiderman and Venom teaming up to defeat Carnage!

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SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Considering the only qualifier in this instance appears to be the public has some right to know about what REALLY rich people report to the government on their individual returns, I'd say the journalistic value is about the same as who the Hulkster porks.


These are more than really rich people. They are more powerful than most elected officials. They have an unnatural amount of power and influence over the government. So slightly more a part of the public discussion than Hulk Hogan's sex tape. Though that too was an interesting legal case.


WfR and SpiralStairs tag-teaming JLN. It's like Spiderman and Venom teaming up to defeat Carnage!


I have an Amazing Spiderman 361 if you want to buy it. Got it at ComicCon as a youth.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
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Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.

JLN with the Hillary email defense.
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Spiral, let me ask you, do you see any way in which the transfer of that tax return information to journalists was legal or otherwise ethical, outside of the individuals handing it over themselves?


Legal, probably not. Ethical? I don't think that's at play here.

MANY stories that are in the public interest are not always legally obtained. That's why the First Amendment is first whereas "criminalizing the receipt of information that may have been obtained illegally" is not found anywhere in the Constitution.

JLN and the Biden admin can find common ground in viewing folks like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as arch criminals.

So any information obtained on a public figure is fair game for publication? Nick Denton could've used you on his legal team.

I think you’d agree the journalistic value here is different than when Gawker published a grainy video of the Hulkster railing a shock jock’s wife.

Considering the only qualifier in this instance appears to be the public has some right to know about what REALLY rich people report to the government on their individual returns, I'd say the journalistic value is about the same as who the Hulkster porks.

A quick google tells me that the lack of asking for comment from the subject pre-publication doomed Gawker. That seems to be a journalistic get out of jail free card that ProPublica played here.

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Very odd to see a person who on one hand bemoans the silencing of controversial speech by Twitter and Facebook, but on the other has no issue with Peter Thiel bankrupting Gawker because he had beef with Nick Denton.

And no, I do not think Hulk Hogan's sex tape was in the public interest. So no need to make that argument.

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Very odd to see a person who on one hand bemoans the silencing of controversial speech by Twitter and Facebook, but on the other has no issue with Peter Thiel bankrupting Gawker because he had beef with Nick Denton.

And no, I do not think Hulk Hogan's sex tape was in the public interest. So no need to make that argument.

Have I argued that the tax filings of Facebook and Twitter aren't in the public interest?
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Considering the only qualifier in this instance appears to be the public has some right to know about what REALLY rich people report to the government on their individual returns, I'd say the journalistic value is about the same as who the Hulkster porks.


These are more than really rich people. They are more powerful than most elected officials. They have an unnatural amount of power and influence over the government. So slightly more a part of the public discussion than Hulk Hogan's sex tape. Though that too was an interesting legal case.


WfR and SpiralStairs tag-teaming JLN. It's like Spiderman and Venom teaming up to defeat Carnage!


I have an Amazing Spiderman 361 if you want to buy it. Got it at ComicCon as a youth.

$180

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Very odd to see a person who on one hand bemoans the silencing of controversial speech by Twitter and Facebook, but on the other has no issue with Peter Thiel bankrupting Gawker because he had beef with Nick Denton.

And no, I do not think Hulk Hogan's sex tape was in the public interest. So no need to make that argument.

Have I argued that the tax filings of Facebook and Twitter aren't in the public interest?


"I didn't bring up that fact that makes my argument look silly so it is irrelevant!"

Literally no coming back from this ironclad logic.

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Jbi11s wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Considering the only qualifier in this instance appears to be the public has some right to know about what REALLY rich people report to the government on their individual returns, I'd say the journalistic value is about the same as who the Hulkster porks.


These are more than really rich people. They are more powerful than most elected officials. They have an unnatural amount of power and influence over the government. So slightly more a part of the public discussion than Hulk Hogan's sex tape. Though that too was an interesting legal case.


WfR and SpiralStairs tag-teaming JLN. It's like Spiderman and Venom teaming up to defeat Carnage!


I have an Amazing Spiderman 361 if you want to buy it. Got it at ComicCon as a youth.

$180


$250

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Very odd to see a person who on one hand bemoans the silencing of controversial speech by Twitter and Facebook, but on the other has no issue with Peter Thiel bankrupting Gawker because he had beef with Nick Denton.

And no, I do not think Hulk Hogan's sex tape was in the public interest. So no need to make that argument.

Have I argued that the tax filings of Facebook and Twitter aren't in the public interest?


"I didn't bring up that fact that makes my argument look silly so it is irrelevant!"

Literally no coming back from this ironclad logic.

I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make here.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Very odd to see a person who on one hand bemoans the silencing of controversial speech by Twitter and Facebook, but on the other has no issue with Peter Thiel bankrupting Gawker because he had beef with Nick Denton.

And no, I do not think Hulk Hogan's sex tape was in the public interest. So no need to make that argument.

Have I argued that the tax filings of Facebook and Twitter aren't in the public interest?


"I didn't bring up that fact that makes my argument look silly so it is irrelevant!"

Literally no coming back from this ironclad logic.

I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make here.


JLN knows.

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Imagine worshipping super villains.

Aren’t you a comic book guy?

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$200


Ok $225. I have Stan Lee's signature on it too.

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Imagine worshipping super villains.

Yeah you know me, I love Bezos and Soros (in the mornings!). It has nothing to do with not liking the precedent set by journalists obtaining unlawfully conveyed personal, confidential information and indiscriminately publishing it because they think the people have too much stuff (and for no other discernable reason).

Eat the rich! Wealthy people are in no way redeemable or admirable!
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Imagine worshipping super villains.

Aren’t you a comic book guy?

One of MANY

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Imagine worshipping super villains.

Aren’t you a comic book guy?

One of MANY

And you have no appreciation for...umm...appreciation for a villain?

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Thanos had a point.

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Imagine worshipping super villains.

Yeah you know me, I love Bezos and Soros (in the mornings!). It has nothing to do with not liking the precedent set by journalists obtaining unlawfully conveyed personal, confidential information and indiscriminately publishing it because they think the people have too much stuff (and for no other discernable reason).

Eat the rich! Wealthy people are in no way redeemable or admirable!


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I'd like to see the math on that 13%.

The average American family has a net worth of $748k. That means the average American family pays $97k in tax every year. The average American family makes $87k a year.

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