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Do you sell one of the lottery tickets for Kimbrel?

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I don't want them to do something dumb like give up Crochet as part of a deal for Frazier.


I have no idea what Frazier will take to get. And while a bullpen are would be nice I don't know who is vastly better than the internal options.


That's the thing. I hate Bummer and Burr, but realistically we'd probably just be trading for someone else's Bummer or Burr.

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Do you sell one of the lottery tickets for Kimbrel?

White Sox already have their closer for better or worse. Also, Kimbrel is exactly the type of player who will come to the Sox and start getting shelled. He won't be productive until the pressure is back off of him.

So no, even if it were possible to trade Colas for him I would not.

Call the Cardinals. Convince them they aren't catching Milwaukee and its looking really unlikely the NL West doesn't grab both wild cards.

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 Post subject: Re: Sox vs Ts 4 game set
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Do you sell one of the lottery tickets for Kimbrel?



How would that work? The Sox use Kimbrel as a set-up guy? Move Hendriks out of the closer role? I'm sure either scenario is not good. Plus, fuck trading with the Cubs. We're now in the position to be the ones who are taking the short end in two years as Crochet is 15-6 and Sheets has a .950 OPS for the 2023 Cubs as we fucked up our 2021 team by renting Kimbrel and Contreras.

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Call the Cardinals. Convince them they aren't catching Milwaukee and its looking really unlikely the NL West doesn't grab both wild cards.


I could see a deal involving Molina and Gallegos. I don't know what you'd have to give up though.

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I think the asking price will be sky high for Kimbrel. If you can get Frazier for a lottery ticket, that's the move I would make unless Moncada starts playing 2B again.

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Call the Cardinals. Convince them they aren't catching Milwaukee and its looking really unlikely the NL West doesn't grab both wild cards.


I could see a deal involving Molina and Gallegos. I don't know what you'd have to give up though.

Yadi would be pretty cheap. Their number one consideration with him is upsetting the fanbase and doing wrong by Molina saddling him somewhere he doesn't want to be, but dealing him to a high tier World Series contender helmed by a guy who won two rings with the Cardinals is probably the easiest sell of any across the entire league.

Gallegos wouldn't be cheap. I'd tell them they can have any two farm arms the White Sox and slap their hand if they try and pull a cheeky one and grab Norge Vera. I'd also bet Blake Rutherford has sneaky good value, he's still under age twenty-five and seems to finally be putting it together. I don't think Gallegos cost rises quite to the level of Jake Burger or Gavin Sheets, even with Yadi.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Do you sell one of the lottery tickets for Kimbrel?



How would that work? The Sox use Kimbrel as a set-up guy? Move Hendriks out of the closer role? I'm sure either scenario is not good. Plus, fuck trading with the Cubs. We're now in the position to be the ones who are taking the short end in two years as Crochet is 15-6 and Sheets has a .950 OPS for the 2023 Cubs as we fucked up our 2021 team by renting Kimbrel and Contreras.


Kimbrel would be a setup guy.

That seems to be the hot reliever rumor, and I honestly don't know anyone else who is available. At least not someone who's been any good this year.

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Never mind, Rutherford fell apart.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Do you sell one of the lottery tickets for Kimbrel?



How would that work? The Sox use Kimbrel as a set-up guy? Move Hendriks out of the closer role? I'm sure either scenario is not good. Plus, fuck trading with the Cubs. We're now in the position to be the ones who are taking the short end in two years as Crochet is 15-6 and Sheets has a .950 OPS for the 2023 Cubs as we fucked up our 2021 team by renting Kimbrel and Contreras.


Kimbrel would be a setup guy.

That seems to be the hot reliever rumor, and I honestly don't know anyone else who is available. At least not someone who's been any good this year.

The problem is all but the last place teams in the AL and NL East are in the hunt. There aren't many sellers this go around, which is great for baseball but bad for the White Sox.

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I don't want Kimbrel. The minute that Flub piece of shit has to pitch in a meaningful game he will revert back to 2019 Kimbrel and meltdown. Guy is a head case and I don't fucking want him, not at the price the Flubs think he is worth.

We have a closer. We don't need to trade for one. Trade for someone who is setting up today for another team and that's the guy you want, he'll come at a cheaper price too.

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I don't want Kimbrel. The minute that Flub piece of shit has to pitch in a meaningful game he will revert back to 2019 Kimbrel and meltdown. Guy is a head case and I don't fucking want him, not at the price the Flubs think he is worth.

We have a closer. We don't need to trade for one. Trade for someone who is setting up today for another team and that's the guy you want, he'll come at a cheaper price too.


Who is that guy that's available?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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I don't want Kimbrel. The minute that Flub piece of shit has to pitch in a meaningful game he will revert back to 2019 Kimbrel and meltdown. Guy is a head case and I don't fucking want him, not at the price the Flubs think he is worth.

We have a closer. We don't need to trade for one. Trade for someone who is setting up today for another team and that's the guy you want, he'll come at a cheaper price too.


Who is that guy that's available?

I take Dan Winkler long before I take Kimbrel. He won't cost as much simply by virtue of not being a closer.

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There is zero chance Kimbrel is brought in to be a setup guy.

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You can't trade this kid.


sure you can

You are caught in the euphoria but think about his very best case scenario and whether you wouldn't trade that for a good return.

I wouldn't give him for a rental like Escobar. I might give him Frazier straight up.


:lol:

No way the pirates do a deal straight up for sheets

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I don't trust Kimbrel....it took him a while to get back to where he's at now. I don't trust it's going to last.
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RFDC wrote:
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You can't trade this kid.


sure you can

You are caught in the euphoria but think about his very best case scenario and whether you wouldn't trade that for a good return.

I wouldn't give him for a rental like Escobar. I might give him Frazier straight up.


:lol:

No way the pirates do a deal straight up for sheets


Then we'll move on

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good dolphin wrote:
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You can't trade this kid.


sure you can

You are caught in the euphoria but think about his very best case scenario and whether you wouldn't trade that for a good return.

I wouldn't give him for a rental like Escobar. I might give him Frazier straight up.


:lol:

No way the pirates do a deal straight up for sheets


Then we'll move on


Just sounds funny coming from the guy that always mocked cub fans for over valuing their prospects :lol:

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RFDC wrote:
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You can't trade this kid.


sure you can

You are caught in the euphoria but think about his very best case scenario and whether you wouldn't trade that for a good return.

I wouldn't give him for a rental like Escobar. I might give him Frazier straight up.


:lol:

No way the pirates do a deal straight up for sheets


Then we'll move on


Just sounds funny coming from the guy that always mocked cub fans for over valuing their prospects :lol:

Difference is our prospects of recent memory have lived up to expectations when reaching the bigs.

The last 2 Cub prospects who delivered were Eloy and Cease and it wasn't for the Flubs.

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RFDC wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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You can't trade this kid.


sure you can

You are caught in the euphoria but think about his very best case scenario and whether you wouldn't trade that for a good return.

I wouldn't give him for a rental like Escobar. I might give him Frazier straight up.


:lol:

No way the pirates do a deal straight up for sheets


Then we'll move on


Just sounds funny coming from the guy that always mocked cub fans for over valuing their prospects :lol:


Good Dolphin turning into Theo in front of our eyes.

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He was great in 19 and 20. If you get him right the bullpen is very good. Kopech, Crochet, Cease, Bummer and Hendricks is a bullpen you can win with in the playoffs.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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You can't trade this kid.


sure you can

You are caught in the euphoria but think about his very best case scenario and whether you wouldn't trade that for a good return.

I wouldn't give him for a rental like Escobar. I might give him Frazier straight up.


:lol:

No way the pirates do a deal straight up for sheets


Then we'll move on


Just sounds funny coming from the guy that always mocked cub fans for over valuing their prospects :lol:

Difference is our prospects of recent memory have lived up to expectations when reaching the bigs.

The last 2 Cub prospects who delivered were Eloy and Cease and it wasn't for the Flubs.

:lol: sheets has been around 2 mins. Might want to slow down a little

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Madrigal
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The top three are all home grown prospects that have performed well at the MLB level for more than two minutes. The last two were traded for, but still developed by the Sox and also have performed well at the MLB level. And of course we have the aforementioned Eloy and Cease.


Edit- I forgot about Crochet, but he's at a lesser extent than the others I mentioned.

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Madrigal
Robert
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Giolito

The top three are all home grown prospects that have performed well at the MLB level for more than two minutes. The last two were traded for, but still developed by the Sox and also have performed well at the MLB level. And of course we have the aforementioned Eloy and Cease.

That means nothing in regard to sheets and you know as well as I do that the pirates arent trading frazier for sheets straight up

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I was talking more to Ogie's point about Sox prospects coming up to the show and performing. Sheets may be a multiple time All Star, or be playing in an independent league in two years.

I wouldn't expect the Bucco's to do a straight up trade like that, but if Frazier is still there next Friday then anything can happen.

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Madrigal
Robert
Anderson
Kopech
Giolito

The top three are all home grown prospects that have performed well at the MLB level for more than two minutes. The last two were traded for, but still developed by the Sox and also have performed well at the MLB level. And of course we have the aforementioned Eloy and Cease.

That means nothing in regard to sheets and you know as well as I do that the pirates arent trading frazier for sheets straight up



adam frazier...the 29 year old career .283 hitting 2B with no power who wouldn't be able to start on this team at 2B in two months

they have been marketing him for over a month with no one being fooled. He loses almost all his trade value in about a week.

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no one being fooled?

No one is dealing yet.

But feel free to continue thinking they can get Frazier for Sheets straight up

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no one being fooled?

No one is dealing yet.

But feel free to continue thinking they can get Frazier for Sheets straight up


why aren't they dealing?

It isn't because they haven't been asking. In fact, they asked for Andrew Vaughn which was rejected.

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