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STOP THE PRESSES, RODGERS IS BACK AT LAMBEAU FIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!


For one final season.

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STOP THE PRESSES, RODGERS IS BACK AT LAMBEAU FIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!


For one final season.

Don't know that at this point.

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It is not done yet, but according to multiple reports, Rodgers has arrived in Green Bay. Both sides are hoping to finalize the agreement shortly, per sources.

The agreement in principle would include an approximation of the following conditions that the two sides now are finalizing to alleviate and address some of Rodgers' issues before the opening of Tuesday's training camp:

* The 2023 year in Rodgers' contract -- the last one in his current deal -- would be voided, with no tags allowed in the future.

* The Packers would agree to review Rodgers' situation at the end of this season.

* Rodgers' contract would be adjusted with no loss of income to give the Packers more cap room now.

* Mechanisms will be put in place to address Rodgers' issues with the team.

If Packers officials sign off on their willingness to trade Rodgers, and the agreement is finalized soon, here's the biggest concession the reigning MVP will receive: the freedom to decide where he wants to play in 2022.


he should have included the ability to decide if they go for it on 4th down


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So he gets to decide where they trade him to? Alright fine, lets say he picks Denver and Denver knows it (which they certainly will). Why would Denver part with anything more than some second day pick when they know Rodgers has a formal agreement with the Packers to trade him wherever he wants? The Packers would have no leverage in that situation, unless they decide to renege on their deal with Rodgers because they don't feel like they're getting adequate trade compensation. Both parties have to be aware with how plausible that outcome is, if I could think up that scenario within seconds they must've considered it.

My guess is this is all window dressing for the Packers trying to win back Rodgers' heart and have him retire a Packer. Like trying to save a relationship by just asking for a chance to prove they've changed. There's no way Aaron Rodgers would still demand a trade if the Packers won the Super Bowl, right?

I think that's the delusional thinking that is going on in the Packers front office. They would've signed anything just to end this saga, even if it meant creating the potential for a much bigger nightmare down the road.

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Just heard that Rodgers can retire next year and keep all of his signing bonus. Good for him :lol:

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He was always going to play for the Packers this year, lol @ buying into the non-story.


Good. I’m hoping the Bears can sweep you guys before he leaves. It isn’t likely, but it’s what I want to see.

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why would the union allow these new terms

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He was always going to play for the Packers this year, lol @ buying into the non-story.


Good. I’m hoping the Bears can sweep you guys before he leaves. It isn’t likely, but it’s what I want to see.

Rodgers just took the Packers to the cleaners. Enjoy him in Tampa after this season.

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He was always going to play for the Packers this year, lol @ buying into the non-story.


Good. I’m hoping the Bears can sweep you guys before he leaves. It isn’t likely, but it’s what I want to see.

Rodgers just took the Packers to the cleaners. Enjoy him in Tampa after this season.

Cool, can you produce the terms of this new deal?

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312player wrote:
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STOP THE PRESSES, RODGERS IS BACK AT LAMBEAU FIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!


For one final season.

Don't know that at this point.



I think we do, this leverage play was to force GB to make him a FA after this season..and it worked. Unless I misread something, they can't tag him. It sounds like they have a handshake agreement to trade him where he wants to go in 6 months.

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He was always going to play for the Packers this year, lol @ buying into the non-story.


Good. I’m hoping the Bears can sweep you guys before he leaves. It isn’t likely, but it’s what I want to see.

Rodgers just took the Packers to the cleaners. Enjoy him in Tampa after this season.

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Our long regional nightmare is over. Aaron Rodgers is back. And at a time when some are twisting themselves in knots to characterize this as some sort of a major win for Rodgers, it’s not. It’s definitely not.

Make no mistake about it. Rodgers caved. Rodgers folded. Rodgers surrendered.

Once the restructured deal between the Packers and Rodgers becomes official, the Packers get their franchise quarterback. Rodgers gets (checks notes) the 2023 season of his current deal removed.
That’s it. That’s all he’s getting that he wasn’t already entitled to receive. Sure, they’ll convert a large chunk of his 2021 salary of $14.6 million into a guaranteed payment. That’s something the Packers automatically could have done in March, and which they would have done if he wasn’t making noise behind the scenes about wanting out. Besides, the guarantee means nothing. It’s not like they were going to cut him; he was getting that $14.6 million this year simply by showing up.

This vague, non-binding notion that the Packers will take another look at the situation after 2021 means nothing. The Packers ultimately will do whatever the Packers (a corporation, not a family-owned business) deem to be in their best interests. If the Packers decide not to let Rodgers go, they don’t have to. Also, unless this new agreement waives the ability to recover the $11.5 million in signing bonus he earns by playing in 2022, the Packers will have that leverage if he refuses to show up a year from now.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter, who broke the news of the deal between Rodgers and the Packers (and who recently had insisted that Rodgers is done with the Packers), tweeted repeatedly about “concessions” by the Packers when, in reality, the only concession came from wiping out the final season of the contract, three seasons from how. Schefter’s final tweet on the subject says that Rodgers has secured “the freedom to decide where he wants to play in 2022.”

But, again, he hasn’t secured that. The contract still runs through 2022. His freedom comes in 2023, unless Green Bay Packers, Inc. chooses to give it to him before then.

So why the mischaracterization of this deal as some sort of a win for Rodgers? Well,it’s probably hard to get a scoop like this without first agreeing to make it look like a victory Rodgers, even if it isn’t.

After everything that’s happened over the past three months, at the end of the day all it took to get him back was wiping out the 2023 season? And spare me the “they’ve made promises” nonsense. This is business. Any verbal guarantees Rodgers received as to 2021 or 2022 aren’t worth the paper they’re not printed on.

Bottom line? It’s a huge win for the Packers, and it’s also a big win for the cloud-shouting, get-off-my-lawn-yelling old-school football types who think the NFL is becoming like the NBA. Rodgers had a chance to further blur the lines between the two leagues, but as he dove for the goal line, he fumbled the ball through the end zone.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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STOP THE PRESSES, RODGERS IS BACK AT LAMBEAU FIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!


For one final season.

Don't know that at this point.



I think we do, this leverage play was to force GB to make him a FA after this season..and it worked. Unless I misread something, they can't tag him. It sounds like they have a handshake agreement to trade him where he wants to go in 6 months.

He would be a FA after 2022.

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Flourio comes off as looking salty there, he didn't break anything and it shows. We'll see, but I'd all but guarantee they trade him after this season to a team of his choice..he won.

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Flourio comes off as looking salty there, he didn't break anything and it shows. We'll see, but I'd all but guarantee they trade him after this season to a team of his choice..he won.

Sure that’s a possibility but you said he’d be a FA. That’s a big difference considering they would get back a nice haul if they trade him.

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He was always going to play for the Packers this year, lol @ buying into the non-story.


Good. I’m hoping the Bears can sweep you guys before he leaves. It isn’t likely, but it’s what I want to see.

Rodgers just took the Packers to the cleaners. Enjoy him in Tampa after this season.

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Our long regional nightmare is over. Aaron Rodgers is back. And at a time when some are twisting themselves in knots to characterize this as some sort of a major win for Rodgers, it’s not. It’s definitely not.

Make no mistake about it. Rodgers caved. Rodgers folded. Rodgers surrendered.

Once the restructured deal between the Packers and Rodgers becomes official, the Packers get their franchise quarterback. Rodgers gets (checks notes) the 2023 season of his current deal removed.
That’s it. That’s all he’s getting that he wasn’t already entitled to receive. Sure, they’ll convert a large chunk of his 2021 salary of $14.6 million into a guaranteed payment. That’s something the Packers automatically could have done in March, and which they would have done if he wasn’t making noise behind the scenes about wanting out. Besides, the guarantee means nothing. It’s not like they were going to cut him; he was getting that $14.6 million this year simply by showing up.

This vague, non-binding notion that the Packers will take another look at the situation after 2021 means nothing. The Packers ultimately will do whatever the Packers (a corporation, not a family-owned business) deem to be in their best interests. If the Packers decide not to let Rodgers go, they don’t have to. Also, unless this new agreement waives the ability to recover the $11.5 million in signing bonus he earns by playing in 2022, the Packers will have that leverage if he refuses to show up a year from now.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter, who broke the news of the deal between Rodgers and the Packers (and who recently had insisted that Rodgers is done with the Packers), tweeted repeatedly about “concessions” by the Packers when, in reality, the only concession came from wiping out the final season of the contract, three seasons from how. Schefter’s final tweet on the subject says that Rodgers has secured “the freedom to decide where he wants to play in 2022.”

But, again, he hasn’t secured that. The contract still runs through 2022. His freedom comes in 2023, unless Green Bay Packers, Inc. chooses to give it to him before then.

So why the mischaracterization of this deal as some sort of a win for Rodgers? Well,it’s probably hard to get a scoop like this without first agreeing to make it look like a victory Rodgers, even if it isn’t.

After everything that’s happened over the past three months, at the end of the day all it took to get him back was wiping out the 2023 season? And spare me the “they’ve made promises” nonsense. This is business. Any verbal guarantees Rodgers received as to 2021 or 2022 aren’t worth the paper they’re not printed on.

Bottom line? It’s a huge win for the Packers, and it’s also a big win for the cloud-shouting, get-off-my-lawn-yelling old-school football types who think the NFL is becoming like the NBA. Rodgers had a chance to further blur the lines between the two leagues, but as he dove for the goal line, he fumbled the ball through the end zone.
Florio sounds like he is a team spokesman for the Packers there.

The Packers just gave up an entire year of control of Rodgers to get a player they already controlled to show up for camp. That is in no way a huge win for the Packers. Of course the Packers can go back on all of their non-binding promises for 2022 and I'm sure that will really set up 2022 as a productive season with Rodgers even more upset with management in his last year with the team.

If Rodgers doesn't want to be a Packer in 2022 he won't be. The only leverage the Packers had for 2022 is that they controlled him in 2023 too. I guess technically the Packers could say to Rodgers "show up in week 10" or whatever the last day to report and still have it count as a year of contract time but that would be pretty dumb especially now that they've given Rodgers the "The Packers broke promises to me" excuse.

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Flourio comes off as looking salty there, he didn't break anything and it shows. We'll see, but I'd all but guarantee they trade him after this season to a team of his choice..he won.

Sure that’s a possibility but you said he’d be a FA. That’s a big difference considering they would get back a nice haul if they trade him.



For sure they'll get a nice haul, 3 firsts at least. I meant FA as in he's gonna pick his team. Tampa, Miami or Denver maybe the Skins.

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

1 player is a lot?

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

1 player is a lot?

Pretty sure GD talked trash about the line last season so…

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

1 player is a lot?


Oh, you're counting on the guy with the torn ACL to be back playing in 8 months. Good luck with that.

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

Rodgers will have Simone Biles like pressure on him, so it is a bit concerning.

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

Rodgers will have Simone Biles like pressure on him, so it is a bit concerning.


the pressure he will feel is from 300 pound players

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

Rodgers will have Simone Biles like pressure on him, so it is a bit concerning.


the pressure he will feel is from 300 pound players



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Good to see Packers on the practice field, lets get this season going.

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For sure they'll get a nice haul, 3 firsts at least. I meant FA as in he's gonna pick his team. Tampa, Miami or Denver maybe the Skins.

No they won't. Why would any team give up anything meaningful like that if the Packers are obligated to trade Rodgers to whatever team he chooses? You're talking maybe a third rounder or something, just to keep up appearances.

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

1 player is a lot?

ACL's usually take two years to fully recover. Usually. Some people are Adrian Peterson.

But I wouldn't be holding out any crazy hopes here.

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

1 player is a lot?

ACL's usually take two years to fully recover. Usually. Some people are Adrian Peterson.

But I wouldn't be holding out any crazy hopes here.

Last I checked, he doesn't play running back. I don't know that he starts the season, but I would say by Week 5 he is back at the latest.

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or last year was a dead cat bounce and 2019 is what Rogers is now. They are down a lot on the OL from last year.

1 player is a lot?

ACL's usually take two years to fully recover. Usually. Some people are Adrian Peterson.

But I wouldn't be holding out any crazy hopes here.

Last I checked, he doesn't play running back. I don't know that he starts the season, but I would say by Week 5 he is back at the latest.

Apparently runningbacks are a different species than human being. Interesting.

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I would say a running back coming back from ACL surgery and an offensive lineman would be 2 separate recoveries, yes.

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Florio sounds like he is a team spokesman for the Packers there.

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