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In another thread you just said it was unethical for doctors to prescribe "horse medicine".
I did NOT say that.
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Doctors can be disciplined for doing something that is unethical. Spreading misinformation-- like endorsing horse/sheep dewormer for example-- is unethical.


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The point is you chose to engage in activity that is damaging to the lungs and this is a respitory virus. By this logic you should also be denied a hospital bed.

Sure, deny me a hospital bed. I doubt I'll need one for awhile.


Oddly enough, My unvaccinated self feels the same way.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand. My immune system has been like a perfect machine my entire life. I rarely get sick. And when I do, it's over quickly. I don't want to die from COVID. I don't want to get COVID. But I'd rather die from COVID than spend the next thirty years wondering if an untested vaccine caused my heretofore perfect immune system to suddenly not work as well as I deal with odd and chronic symptoms. Now maybe that wouldn't happen. But this is a personal decision. It's not up for debate. Your opinion doesn't matter. When I thought the vaccines worked nearly perfectly I was hesitant. Now that we know they barely work at all, I really don't see any upside in giving my perfect immune system new directions via an untested mRNA vaccine from a felonious pharmaceutical company.

Seems obvious to me they work, considering the enormous disparity between whos dying and who isnt. It's not up for debate. Your opinion doesn't matter.


Vaccines inoculate against infection. When you have to discuss a "vaccine" in terms of how good it is at preventing severe symptoms, you're no longer discussing a vaccine, you're discussing a treatment.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:48 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Well, it certainly is up for debate.
It absolutely is not. Right now, and for the last 3-4 months, the overwhelming number of people that are in hospitals and ICUs are unvaccinated against Covid. Well over 90% of Covid deaths over the same timeframe have been unvaccinated.

4% of all Covid patients in Christ Hospital right now are vaccinated. (as of Wednesday night, there were over 200 Covid pt)
This comes from a nurse who works on the Covid floors.

It's not up for debate.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
In another thread you just said it was unethical for doctors to prescribe "horse medicine".
I did NOT say that.
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Doctors can be disciplined for doing something that is unethical. Spreading misinformation-- like endorsing horse/sheep dewormer for example-- is unethical.


Leave the imaginary message board posts to wfr and ltg.



What was the horse/sheep dewormer you were talking about if not Ivermectin? :lol: :lol:

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en·dorse
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verb
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declare one's public approval or support of.


Definition of prescription
4a: a written direction for a therapeutic or corrective agent
specifically : one for the preparation and use of a medicine
b: a prescribed medicine


I used the word "Endorse" for a very specific reason. I expected Caller Bob to miss the point. You're generally smarter than that.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Well, it certainly is up for debate.
It absolutely is not. Right now, and for the last 3-4 months, the overwhelming number of people that are in hospitals and ICUs are unvaccinated against Covid. Well over 90% of Covid deaths over the same timeframe have been unvaccinated.

4% of all Covid patients in Christ Hospital right now are vaccinated.

It's not up for debate.



Can you provide some actual numbers supported by real evidence? How many "COVID patients" are in Christ Hospital right now? What's a "COVID patient" anyway? A kid who came in with a broken leg and tested positive for COVID with no symptoms and was moved to a quarantine ward? Is he a "COVID patient"?

The "97% of all hospitalizations are unvaccinated people" is claptrap just like "women earn 88 cents".

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

I used the word "Endorse" for a very specific reason.

Because you knew it would be hilariously stupid to say it it is unethical to prescribe Ivermectin, so you're trying to make the same stupid point but with more ambiguous language?


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
en·dorse
/inˈdôrs,enˈdôrs/
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declare one's public approval or support of.


Definition of prescription
4a: a written direction for a therapeutic or corrective agent
specifically : one for the preparation and use of a medicine
b: a prescribed medicine


I used the word "Endorse" for a very specific reason. I expected Caller Bob to miss the point. You're generally smarter than that.



So it's unethical to endorse it but completely ethical to prescribe it? Jesus, Frank, I'm gonna leave you to joust with Caller Bob.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Can you provide some actual numbers supported by real evidence?
Why, so you can shit all over them again and call them a "claptrap?"

The numbers on vaccinated vs non-vaccinated people being hospitalized and dying have been posted here hundreds of times.

You simply refuse to accept them.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
So it's unethical to endorse it but completely ethical to prescribe it? Jesus, Frank, I'm gonna leave you to joust with Caller Bob.
If somebody can't understand the difference between a human injecting doses of ivermectin formulated for livestock, versus a doctor prescribing a controlled dose of some sort of medicine from the ivermectin family to treat something like roundworm or head lice, then Caller Bob is a thousand times smarter than that individual.

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Of course we know who is dying and who isn’t. But i forgot I’m talking to a guy who wouldn’t believe the sky is blue if the media said it was.



Okay, how many vaccinated people have died? How many unvaccinated?

From what doctors are saying, about 99% of covid deaths since the vaccine became widely distributed have been in unvaxxed people. And that's the point here, its the doctors themselves coming right out and saying this. They are the ones in the trenches. I know you and others love to say it's your distrust of big pharma, the government, and the media that's causing your skepticism, but your viewpoint is also directly implicating doctors nation wide in your delusional paranoia.

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And that's the point here, its the doctors themselves coming right out and saying this.
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And still not one of you cucks can dispute this
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And still not one of you cucks can dispute this
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If you want to campaign for universal healthcare, have at it comrade. That dumbass meme has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

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Here is another point about smokers. They pay jacked up fees for life and health insurance. Perhaps unvaccinated individuals should do the same.

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Here is another point about smokers. They pay jacked up fees for life and health insurance. Perhaps unvaccinated individuals should do the same.

Do they still face rationed care under this scenario?

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Are smokers currently overruning certain hospital and ICU capacities? Have they ever?

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Next thing you know, they're gonna come up with smoking passports, and have designated areas where smokers arent allowed to smoke in. This oppression will not stand, man.

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When you think about it, why is smoking even legal? Do we care about public health or not?

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Are smokers currently overruning certain hospital and ICU capacities? Have they ever?

One ventilator available…

Red corner: a life time smoker. Blue corner: unvaxxed COVID patient.

Who ya got?

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That doesn't answer either question I posed.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Are smokers currently overruning certain hospital and ICU capacities? Have they ever?

One ventilator available…

Red corner: a life time smoker. Blue corner: unvaxxed COVID patient.

Who ya got?

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I think if you really think about people here, most of the liberals would think they had a victory if something happened covid related to me or my children. I think few conservatives would feel that way if the situation were reversed.
You think wrong.

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A Tennessee teenager who was mocked by adults as he defended masks by explaining his grandmother died of Covid-19 called the moment “complete insanity.”

Grady Knox, a junior at Central Magnet School, was mocked and shouted down while speaking at a Rutherford County School Board meeting Tuesday night. A clip of the moment made the rounds of social media, showing adults telling the teenage boy to “shut up” as he gave a personal story to relay his views in favor of mask mandates.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennessee-te ... 00746.html

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That doesn't answer either question I posed.

Apologies, I didn’t know those were addressed to me.

I have no idea.

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The Tennessee kid was mocked because he stated, unequivocally, that an unmasked person killed his Grandma. (if you watch the entire exchange)


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Of course Bob would defend the mocking of a teenager.

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To be fair, he sounded like a fucking idiot when he charged "A un-masked person kill my Grandma", I publicly wouldn't laugh out loud, but inside I would laugh at him, the same way as you laugh at a weirdo that wants to meet up with an interest Rando to fight.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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I think if you really think about people here, most of the liberals would think they had a victory if something happened covid related to me or my children. I think few conservatives would feel that way if the situation were reversed.
You think wrong.

I hope that the asshole Chris Sale is ok, but that he'll help screwing his team and the Boston fans by testing positive is a little amusing.

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I don’t want to live in a world where dumb teenagers are beyond reproach.

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Vaccines work in so far as you wont die if you get it. masks dont appear to do a fucking thing. its annoying a lot of people confuse the two.

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