My oldest brother graduated from Vanderbilt, which means that sob is old.

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Having fun is what it’s all about!

Yeah I was only referring to the engineering schools but I got into NU so it couldn’t be that hard. The McCormick kids were other worldly smart.

It’s fun to poke fun at ASU but they have so much bloody money and resources, particularly in their business/engineering/journalism programs. Lots of technology companies are moving here and making AZ their home. Not a bad place for parents to come visit either.

All great schools but out of state (or in NU’s case $80k p.a.) and not on OP’s list.

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NU tends to give out money like other schools mentioned in the thread.

Cochrane’s was the bar with Little Kings Night (do Little Kings still exist)? Papa Dels was the pizza place, right on the Boneyard creek. Papa Dels now has a big place on Green. They were also innovative with a small van that sold his pizzas out of it when the bars closed—a food truck before they were a thing.

I know Doc has posted about Friday happy hour buckets at CODs. COD’s stood for “Cochrane’s on Daniels.”

All “need based” and mostly bull shit.

Unless you’re legitimately poor you’re out your ass with loans coming out of that place.

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Amazing how times change. It was an affordable private when Arnie Weber was the president. He prided on keeping cost down. It was about 20 per year with fees and room/board. I had a friend who actually paid his first year (I think second too but it’s been 25 years since I’ve talked to him) there out of pocket as he had worked harvest jobs out in eastern Oregon from the time he was 14 with the hopes of buying a corvette. Decided going to college was a better idea. But was the hardest working, smartest person I ever met.

Let me clarify thst I know a lot of guys who came out with prettt good sized loans but not thee crazy ones I’ve heard about.

Elite university education is out of control. It’s a wildly unethical model but you put parents in a spot of either paying for what they perceive as best for their kids (which they will) or not. It’s totally fucked.

Meanwhile they sit on 10-11 figures in untouchable endowments.

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I think Illinois is harder to get into than UW—I have a kid interested in both. We just visited Madison, it was more urban than I had remembered. The union on the lake is beautiful, but lots of concrete everywhere else.

Visiting Michigan in a couple of weeks—not sure she’ll have the ACT for that, but we’ll see.

We also did a Boston/Maine trip. Not sure when college visits became a thing. I went to Illinois because that’s where my siblings went, and it was cheap at the time. Never visited anywhere else. College was about getting a job, not the beauty of the campus, the quality of the football team, and certainly not about fulfilling myself.

The student loan system, especially for graduate students, is totally abused and contributes to this. 25 years ago or so I remember remarking To my dad about how many people I knew that were on aide one way or another. His response was they will increase price as long as the loans existed in current form and there would always be someone willing and able to pay it. My daughter wants to go to an expensive school. She won’t get in because she has to work on work ethic but shit.. I’ve seen the costs.

I was on Madison campus a couple years ago for a conference their school of ag for organic no till. Besides it being 83degrees below zero, it was not a campus I would love.

Smart man, inebriated rodent’s father. Prescient.

Everything works out, but it’s just a fucked up system. Hopefully all works out for everybody’s kids but I’ve never been more convinced that a solid state school beats private in most cases.

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Yeah, I did buckets at CODs a lot.

Papa Del’s moved to Neil and close to Kirby a few years ago - an old microbrewery place that is much bigger with a parking lot.

Green St. is all different now if you haven’t seen it since about 15 years ago. High-rise apartments and Chipotles.

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Yes, money can be had at Vanderbilt and Northwestern, but getting admitted is the problem. A perfect 36 ACT and top grades in AP classes is not enough in many cases.

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Holy crap you’re kidding! I have an autograph book from when I was a little kid. I don’t remember the true story but was it possible he was an early education major? I thought he was a student teacher or something either in my moms class or her school. Long story short he took my autograph book into the locker room and I have the entire team’s autographs. Would this have been around 1983? I just went and found the book and Michael Heaven addressed it to me and signed almost the whole inside cover. I have Dave Krieg right below him from another event I went to as a yout

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Northwestern and Michigan are well ahead of everyone else. It's then pretty much all the same besides Nebraska which is far behind everyone else in the Big Ten.

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Northwestern's rep is for journalism and as a soft-skills (marketing) business school. Purdue leveraged its STEM resources to be one of the early schools to take a more rigorously mathematical approach to business. Now it's all quant all the time in business schools, but that's a recent development for most.

The thing you hear about Michigan is that while the graduate programs are first-rate and students have excellent experiences in those, University of Michigan's undergrad experience leaves much to be desired from a pedagogical pov. Unless you break off into a residential college or follow specific tracks that open up cross-registration into graduate level courses, you'll go 4+ years of undergrad and almost never be taught in class by an actual professor-doctor. LSA, i think it's called, Michigan's genpop undergrad program. You don't wanna be in LSA for more than your first year at Michigan.

Michigan State has something similar, a small liberal arts college experience carved out inside the larger university setting. Classes all taught by the actual professors and they have their own dorms, dining and a separate graduation ceremony.

Probably all the mega U's have similar programs; usually students need to have better grades and test scores than the average matriculant to access these residential colleges or whatever inside the larger university experience--which speaks well of the liberal arts education that universities go out of their way to attempt to recreate it on their 50,000+ student campuses for their better students.

Fuck Michigan. Every douchebag that can't get into an Ivy and settles for it pretends like he wanted to end up in Ann Arbor.

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I first learned about Arizona/Arizona State browsing one of those 'Girls of Pac Ten' issues of Playboy. It may as well have been 'Mostly Girls from ASU/Arizona with a few from USC/UCLA". They'd throw in a scary Oregon or crunchy granola Washington chick wearing a flannel shirt and boots for perspective.

He is picking the schools for the most part. He has been to U of I for band, so he's seen the campus. I haven't been there since the Bears / Patriots game 2002. He did apply there. I just know they are pretty stingy on money and even in state tuition is laughable at this point. I like U of I campus just fine. I'm just a little salty on Illinois in General and would like him to experience another part of the country if possible.

The full list he's applied to are:
Georgia, Purdue, NC State, Clemson, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Illinois, and for the last resort on the affordability scale....Wisconsin Lacrosse.
Planned major is bio-chemistry, so Engineering is not on the table here.

He is a very good student. When it's all said and done, it will just be a matter of cost and what he likes. Clemson and Georgia many of the other southeast schools seem to enjoy throwing money at midwest students to attend there. I won't let him take out a shit ton of loans to go school. If that means he goes to Lacrosse...so be it.

I was a ghetto directional state school kid...ISU. It was the best I could get into as I kind of sucked in HIgh school. Did fine. Went to NIU for grad school. NIU is a good school, but I absolutely hate their campus layout.

I'm probably enjoying this whole college shopping thing more than he is...that's fine.

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Nice, JORR. Except I believe it's "Muck Fuchigan"

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If his grades are excellent, Alabama may offer him a full ride.

Talk about Saturday football in the South!!

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I hear Pitt is awesome for Biochemistry.

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Good friends daughter is a freshman at Alabama, she took advantage of the generosity of wanting Midwest students. Her dad has already been down to a game.

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Yes, Alabama is one that definitely does this. We know one from Gurnee that goes there and a few from Cali that are there.

Science - Most of that is done at Alabama BIRMINGHAM, so I don't think he'd want to ROLL TIDE.

Fuck Alabama....even I have standards

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