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Should've been able and willing to fight it off? Yes

I mean holy shit how do the guys in the room not make fun of him when that one gets out? He had 10" height and a 50+% weight advantage on the predator.
The predator knew what he was doing and likely chose 'John Doe' because he knew he could manipulate him and get away with whatever he wanted.

And he did. With help from the FO of the Blackhawks. That is nothing short of disgusting.

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This is beyond awful.


Looks like the Blackhawks took the playbook on covering up sexual assault right from the Catholic Church


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This is beyond awful.

And this is the biggest issue here IMO because that kid in Michigan is the definition of vulnerable and unable to fight it off.

That is where the Blackhawks failed the most and where their content is most like Penn State.

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This is beyond awful.


Looks like the Blackhawks took the playbook on covering up sexual assault right from the Catholic Church

Well Bowman did attend Notre Dame

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This is beyond awful.

So now we're begrudging people/organizations for telling cops to pound sand and invoking their protections under the 4th amendment? When is it acceptable or permissible to invoke your rights?


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Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.


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Who was the 2nd player? I thought it was a player and intern.

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When is it acceptable or permissible to invoke your rights?
When it is acceptable or permissible to cover up multiple sexual assaults?

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Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

well I think he did go to bat for Chas

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Who was the 2nd player? I thought it was a player and intern.

2nd player was at a college after he left the organization with some members of the FO writing him recs to help him get the job. That's where the Blackhawks are most like Penn State or the church

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Caller Bob wrote:
Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

Change the diddler bit to "terrorist" and this is how the PATRIOT Act happens.

Someone has to stand up to dangerous sentiments like are being hurled in this thread, and since you so obviously lack the fortitude to do it, guess it'll have to be me.


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Nas wrote:
Who was the 2nd player? I thought it was a player and intern.

After he left the Hawks, Aldrich diddled a high school kid in Michigan.


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When is it acceptable or permissible to invoke your rights?
When it is acceptable or permissible to cover up multiple sexual assaults?

It's not acceptable. Invoking your constitutional protections is not "covering up" or otherwise impeding investigations. Do you even realize how dangerous that is?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

Change the diddler bit to "terrorist" and this is how the PATRIOT Act happens.

Someone has to stand up to dangerous sentiments like are being hurled in this thread, and since you so obviously lack the fortitude to do it, guess it'll have to be me.


I think child molesters should be hung in the streets, yet I lack fortitude. That's "denis" rich.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

Change the diddler bit to "terrorist" and this is how the PATRIOT Act happens.

Someone has to stand up to dangerous sentiments like are being hurled in this thread, and since you so obviously lack the fortitude to do it, guess it'll have to be me.

It’s only noble to tell police to go eff themselves in certain situations .

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Invoking your constitutional protections is not "covering up"
In this particular scenario, it absolutely appears this was the case.

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The organization had every right to want the process to go through the proper channels.

But that clearly does not seem to be all they were doing. It seems as if they were using that as a means to cover up info that they did not want to get out. And that is completely unacceptable.

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Caller Bob wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

Change the diddler bit to "terrorist" and this is how the PATRIOT Act happens.

Someone has to stand up to dangerous sentiments like are being hurled in this thread, and since you so obviously lack the fortitude to do it, guess it'll have to be me.


I think child molesters should be hung in the streets, yet I lack fortitude. That's "denis" rich.

Stop it will you? We all know and understand that crimes against children are horrible. It's real easy to clamor for abandoning the rights of society's most contemptible people and confuse it with being tough or virtuous.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

Change the diddler bit to "terrorist" and this is how the PATRIOT Act happens.

Someone has to stand up to dangerous sentiments like are being hurled in this thread, and since you so obviously lack the fortitude to do it, guess it'll have to be me.


I think child molesters should be hung in the streets, yet I lack fortitude. That's "denis" rich.

Stop it will you? We all know and understand that crimes against children are horrible. .

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You could make an argument that the Wirtz family should be "Donald Sterling'd"


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

Change the diddler bit to "terrorist" and this is how the PATRIOT Act happens.

Someone has to stand up to dangerous sentiments like are being hurled in this thread, and since you so obviously lack the fortitude to do it, guess it'll have to be me.

It’s only noble to tell police to go eff themselves in certain situations .

And if the cop had a warrant or other sufficient cause to make "show me your records on this guy" a lawful order, it's a different situation.


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The organization had every right to want the process to go through the proper channels.

But that clearly does not seem to be all they were doing. It seems as if they were using that as a means to cover up info that they did not want to get out. And that is completely unacceptable.
Agree. Yes they have their rights and should use every one of them.

You know that when it 'worked' to their advantage and there was no warrant issued or anything, MANY in that front office were breathing a huge sigh of relief.

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So now we're begrudging people/organizations for telling cops to pound sand and invoking their protections under the 4th amendment? When is it acceptable or permissible to invoke your rights?


i agree, i wouldnt cooperate with a sexual assault investigation if i helped enable the behavior. kudos to the blackhawks for standing firm!


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Caller Bob wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Good to see JLN stomping for the rights of a kiddie diddler.

Change the diddler bit to "terrorist" and this is how the PATRIOT Act happens.

Someone has to stand up to dangerous sentiments like are being hurled in this thread, and since you so obviously lack the fortitude to do it, guess it'll have to be me.


I think child molesters should be hung in the streets, yet I lack fortitude. That's "denis" rich.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Invoking your constitutional protections is not "covering up"
In this particular scenario, it absolutely appears this was the case.

I suggest you watch "The Drumhead" episode of Star Trek TNG. Pay particular attention to the scene where Picard and Worf are having a discussion in the observation lounge.


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A 1st round lottery pick with the tools to step in after departures that everyone knew would be coming due to cap squeeze isn't exactly someone working his way up. He is someone who essentially has his spot already there for him. Dustin Byfuglien's or Troy Brouwer's spot was literally his to take by just showing up and doing work. Clearly the scouting on him was way off because damn was he soft.

This wasn't some 5th rounder selected from a podunk USHL team


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdi ... ?pid=90922

He had high PIM while putting up points in the WHL, the stats show he only played eight games with Rockford in 2009-2010. You're correct, he was a first rounder from a 100,000 person town in BC. But, he was someone who was just beginning his journey and looking at the numbers a bit of a cement-head. 20 years old and up with the big team, you think he understood he was getting Buff or Brouwer's spot? Come on, you're smarter than this.

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Blackhawks released a statement today:


Dear Blackhawks fans,

If I told you in 2009 that we could win 3 Cups in 5 years, but in return someone would get molested, would any of you objected?

You're welcome.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Invoking your constitutional protections is not "covering up"
In this particular scenario, it absolutely appears this was the case.
I suggest you watch "The Drumhead" episode of Star Trek TNG. Pay particular attention to the scene where Picard and Worf are having a discussion in the observation lounge.
I suggest you admit that RFDC and I and correct, and that we shouldn't waste our time watching nerd shows to try and understand some pedantic point you're trying to make.

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You guys whonare blaming the victim for not beating up Aldrich are morons who don't understand victim psychology.
It's not always about being physically overpowered. You're talking about someone who apparently made it clear that he had some authority over his job and earning potential. He held sway over whether he would make it in the NHL on some level. You're Essentially talking about a very young man who didn't have a guaranteed shot at the show. And this guy told him he could get him kicked out.



I'm not "blaming" him. I just find it odd. I'm guessing if some guy tried to suck your cock against your will he'd be breathing out of the side of his head.

And I'm pretty certain that a first round NHL pick has more power and sway than a strength coach or whatever the fuck that guy was. But I do take your point that a teenage kid may not be aware of his power.

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It's like everybody involved made the worst decisions possible. The whole thing is weird.


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