Aldrich had some pretty strong cache with Quennville. He could have easily destroyed Beach's career. And threatened to do exactly that.

And I think you are missing the broader point.

It was well known apparently, but somehow Toews didn't hear about it until the 2011 season? It's obvious now he was lying. As were others apparently.

Puts the gay jokes in a different light.

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It is easy to look back now and make judgments on what should have been done.

But lets be real. Anyone that has worked in any type of place with lots of people know that you hear all types of things about people. Some of it is true, some of it is false but for the most part people stay out of it and leave each to their own, especially when it is involving 2 adults. And 11 years ago that was even more true than it is today.

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I think it's interesting that Kyle Beach, by virtue of getting non-consensual gay oral sex, is the first hockey player that the prestige-tier sportswriters have treated as a decent human being. He certainly wouldn't have come about it any other way. Hockey players are never afforded any sort of nuance, certainly not on par with the tortured intellectuals who make up the NBA. Sam Fels's entire career, such as it is, has been about reveling in how hockey players are a bunch of drug-addicted sexual degenerates who dropped out of middle school and how superior everyone else is to their dumb evil white asses. Kyle Beach, a guy who hit puberty fast, lived in the junior leagues too long, and probably has a comfortably sub-100 IQ, would be precisely the kind of empty-headed, toxically masculine dudebro that the league needs to get rid of to be more like the NBA. He may never have made the NHL, but maybe he'll get to write for Defector.

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I doubt the front office would have looked kindly on Quenneville trashing a first round pick. In fact, I think the way he failed to develop players was part of the reason he ended up on the outs. Maybe one of the hockey guys can confirm.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I’d buy that if it was known but thought to be consensual. Maybe that’s the case? Idk, I haven’t really followed this all that closely. That’d explain the gay jokes from the players.

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I would just about guarantee that there was talk of it being consensual. I don't see how there would not have been.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

If he is physically prevented from leaving, then yes, knock the burrito's teeth out. It's what I would honestly expect from someone who has such a clear physical advantage over the predator

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They wouldn't though. This happened late during the playoffs and local broadcast stops covering after the 1st round as it goes national TV only then

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Hey, I get to roll out the Joel Quenneville defense again. Party like it's 2014.

During Quenneville's tenure with the Blackhawks, I think there was precisely one coach in the league who could be trusted to do the general manager's bidding with regard to playing players while contending for championships, and that was Darryl Sutter, who may not have been quite right in the head ever since the time he fell off his roof. No one else was willing to take that risk. Any other coach playing for the Cup leaned hard on his veterans to a fault. Bylsma did it, Julien did it, Tortorella, Babcock, Hitchcock, Cooper, Boudreau -- the universal lament of online hockey fans has always been that the coach doesn't play "the kids" enough. Quenneville didn't play the kids enough for some people. I think, all things considered, he did better than he got credit for. He played Saad, Shaw, Kruger, and others once they earned his trust.

No, management wouldn't have looked fondly on Q trashing a first-round pick, but also, by the time spring 2010 rolled around, I think they knew they guessed wrong on the guy.

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As far as the players knew, there were 2 stories, the one Aldrich told and the one Beach told. Players would probably think Beach got caught so of course he would deny it was consensual and would call him a burrito.

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I think Q's inability to develop draft picks in Chicago had more to do with the draft picks Stan provided him (although Beach was a Tallon pick). Q has done a wonderful job developing a young team in Sunrise.

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And had a producer nicknamed "Count Fagula"

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

DIDN'T DESERVE SEXUAL ASSAULT: Kyle Beach
DID DESERVE SEXUAL ASSAULT: women who attended a victory parade

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I forgot about that. Good memory

Speaking of which, I wonder how Ice Girl is doing. Is she with hubby, Matt, or a 3rd man?

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People can change. Or I should say some can.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

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“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.”- JD Vance
“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

I have to listen to that again. The context I got out of that was there were homophobic comments made in full view of coaches and media, not that the coaches and media knew about the assault.

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You’re correct, but I thought the context was that it was an open secret (i.e., everybody around the organization understood why Beach was being called a burrito).

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That's damning if true.

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Name a male dominated industry where that wouldn’t have happened .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

The comparison is the behavior at the same time though, right? Not that one person changed over the past decade and the other didn’t - that both had the same starting point around the time of the events?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Absolutely...I was in my prime during that era and remember it well.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

Yeah.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I guess it goes back to whether it was widely understood as non-consensual (vs. something Beach regretted doing).

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Regretted?
Who regrets getting a blow job?

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Someone pulled up Fels old tweets about Beach and compared them to the pearl clutching he was doing yesterday about poor Kyle Beach . #evolved

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

If you are in "the media", or just random guy on twitter, it's very easy to bash everyone on the blackhawks right now for how this was handled. There is no downside to all the people saying they are burning Toews jersey's, "will never root for the team again", etc.

There's aren't that many actual "die hard" blackhawks fans to begin with, and the team currently on the ice is awful, so nobody wants to watch them anyway. I'd be curious to see how many of the "never wearing the jersey again" people would be saying that if the 2021 team was a Stanley Cup favorite.

Bernstein really wants this to be Penn States. It's not Penn State, no matter how much he wants it to be. Penn State was an adult predator preying on kids who had no means of defending themselves and were from underprivileged homes where no family could back them. This was a case of a 5'5 queer and a 6'3 pro athlete with the full ability to kick his ass.

Again, the real failure by the Hawks was the fact they let him get a job somewhere else where he could victimize kids ala Sandusky. The queer should've been blackballed from hockey and getting any job. Although, I guess the "hockey is for everyone" crowd would probably take issue with that.

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