This was definitely a highlight reel incompletion.

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About to be GOATing again real soon!!!

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That's how you get it done.

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Missed this before

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Ravens couldn't have found one other suiter? idiots

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Agreed. I wouldn't trade him to my primary competition.

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They gave up the most, gotta make that deal.

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Even in an off year the dude will throw a bazillion TD’s and possibly have his highest completion % to date (as he does currently if it holds up)


As is he’s on pace to throw 40+ TD’s, 5000+ yards.. and around 20 INT’s.. that’s still a ridiculously good season for most other QB’s

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Hes great. Hes not the greatest I’ve ever seen.

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Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Manning (Peyton), and Steve Young are the greatest/most ridiculous ones I’ve seen. And I watched prime Marino, Montana, and Elway..



^Ill throw Favre in that 1st group too.. as much as I hate the bastard

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Brady stands above them all. Its not just a reductive “rings” argument either. Its what hes consistently done over 20 years to earn those and his other accolades. I love Rodgers and think he’s one of the 3-4 best QBs to ever play and I wouldn’t consider taking him over Brady in a game i needed to win. Mahomes is on that Rodgers level to start his career. Hes not close to the Brady tier.

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Yeah Brady has that Montana factor of just being the guy you want with a minute left down by 6.. but I’d say that’s really what separates him from the others. Take that away and there’s a lot of directions you could go with the discussion imo.. so to me, while he is clearly the GOAT, I base it more on his career accolades and accumulations over time rather than his pure ability to play the position Vs those other guys. Football is the ultimate team sport so I think it’s fair to speculate whether or not a guy like Rodgers could have won just as much were he to replace Brady on those Pats teams.. same argument goes for Marino Vs Montana back in the day.


That’s not to say that Brady doesn’t have a great amount of talent too -he does- but I personally think guys like Mahomes and Rodgers are far more gifted in that area.


So it comes down to what measuring stick you want to use in a discussion like this, talent? The ability to win a close game.. and so on. Point being, it’s not just the one thing or even two

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In my mind, Manning is the most talented (in terms of controlling the game - certainly not athleticism).

Brady obviously GOAT as he’s like an uber-Montana.

Rodgers is prob a good mix of the two; more athletic than Manning, not as much a killer as Brady.

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I think you’re underselling the mental aspect of the position and also underselling the physical talents of Brady

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Brady seems the least physically gifted of the leagues best QB’s. He just wins.

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I view it like this.

Everyone in this discussion has had countless great moments and holy shit throws and MVPs and all of that shit. Their surrounding cast tends to rise and fall throughout their 12-20 year careers. Brady has always done it the best, the most consistently, in the biggest moments, without always having great weapons.

Its like asking who the best WR is. There is nobody even close to encroaching on the discussion of Brady and Rice in these two discussions imo.

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To me that means you’re viewing physically gifted solely through the prism of athlete and not through the prism playing QB in the NFL.

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Right. To paraphrase Kenny Powers, they play real sports, not trying to be the best at fucking exercising.

Brady is the best at playing the position. He’s nowhere near the pure athlete of tons of guys, but that’s wholly irrelevant.

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All else being equal I’d rather have the faster QB with the stronger arm. But Brady has proven that making the right reads, getting rid of the ball fast, and being accurate trumps speed and strength.

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I agree with your 2nd sentence and all else being equal, think it trumps your first sentence

But also Brady has a hell of a fucking arm. Hes not winning Super Bowls as some uber competent Chad Pennington

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Not at all. If another more athletic guy can do what Brady does well, I would take him over Brady.

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Sure, agreed. Maybe we’ll see someone like that eventually. Nobody in our lifetimes is all that close so far.

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Rodgers should be that guy. I cannot figure how Brady does it.

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Mahomes was on his way until this hiccup.

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This guy sucks now.

Must be the newborn baby.

Also no run game.

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Because Brady is better at the mental aspect of the game and similarly talented physically. Brady does it because hes better than anyone we’ve seen. Any doubt about that should have been gone after the Falcons SB game and also last year

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And you’re underselling the team aspect of the sport. Look, I agree Brady is the greatest -but I base it off all the accumulation, the stats, the rings.. everything. But how many times has Brady been able to accomplish those things while running with one of the best defenses in the league (a side of the ball he has nothing to do with)? When you look it up, almost every SB season he’s had has been accompanied by a very good or dominant defense. And that’s courtesy of Bill, not Tom.


Even with the Bucs the defense was good last year, and looking great this year. Tom got to choose a team that had that built in, and don’t think for a second he didn’t do that purposely. He knows he’s dead in the water without a defense because that’s something he can’t control.


I actually don’t think you and I view this as differently as you’re imagining. So I’ll ask you this, give Brady all his other accomplishments stat wise but take away most of his rings.. let’s say 2 SB wins and a loss because he played on a lot of decent to average teams defensively -are you still saying he’s the best ever? I think the rings are what has your mind clouded.. but using that solely disregards the team aspect of the sport. It’s why I almost never use the rings to justify Jordan’s status as the GOAT.


In my mind, if you look at it that way Brady and Drew Brees are almost the same guy. And I don’t see you touting a guy like Brees in here.

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Theres a flip side to that coin too. Remember that Brady lost a Super Bowl in which his team never punted. He hasnt always had a great defense.

Its hard to view Brady minus five rings and rank him that way because winning in January is such an indelible part of his career.

I think Brees is a top 10 guy all time. Idk where id specifically rank him, but i dont view him and Brady similarly at all

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I’m assuming this was the Eagles SB..? Patriots defense was 5th in points allowed that year, they played a bend but don’t break style of defense, sure, but they were a good defense that year. Also, you’re sort of making my point -it’s a team sport and if you take away the quality of the other sides performance (the defense, that is) Brady doesn’t have as many rings.


It’s just a hypothetical way to remove the real reason I think people view him the way they do -you’re saying no one is close, and I’m saying you feel that way because of the rings, not because of his ability. Again, Brady alone didn’t win all those games. Billy B had some say in it too as did those defenses.


Disagree on the last point too.. to me Brady and Brees are very close in terms of style of play. Didn’t wow you with crazy athletics or cannon arms, but we’re incredibly cerebral, have great accuracy, and throw really nice deep balls with a lot of touch. Both were lead by great HC’s too.. it’s just Brady’s leader happened to be really gifted on the opposite side of the field.

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