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Fried turkey is the bomb, as the 35-year old kids say.

I don't know what real kids say now. Mine don't talk to me. They just call me stupid and nerdy.

Fried turkey is really so easy and relatively cheap for the amount of food. Pulled pork is the only easier and more prolific amounts of meat.

As a 35 year old that first sentence hurts.

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I said it was irrational.. I just got really tired of people I know who would extol the benefits of them and then I'd eat their creations and they would be tasteless mushy crap. But everything they cook fits that description. So, in my experience its rational but I know its really the allergy to flavor that these people have.


It's not really irrational. Some good some bad. I'm horrible with crockpots and instapots. Other people serve me stuff and I think it's fine. Nothing turns out for me. I can see myself getting an air fryer and saying frozen food what?


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Fried turkey is the bomb, as the 35-year old kids say.

I don't know what real kids say now. Mine don't talk to me. They just call me stupid and nerdy.

Fried turkey is really so easy and relatively cheap for the amount of food. Pulled pork is the only easier and more prolific amounts of meat.


Pulled pork Tastes better too.

Never had it. Probably never will since I rarely eat pork now.

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I said it was irrational.. I just got really tired of people I know who would extol the benefits of them and then I'd eat their creations and they would be tasteless mushy crap. But everything they cook fits that description. So, in my experience its rational but I know its really the allergy to flavor that these people have.


It's not really irrational. Some good some bad. I'm horrible with crockpots and instapots. Other people serve me stuff and I think it's fine. Nothing turns out for me. I can see myself getting an air fryer and saying frozen food what?


Well we know you've had problems plugging them in. :D

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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Fried turkey is the bomb, as the 35-year old kids say.

I don't know what real kids say now. Mine don't talk to me. They just call me stupid and nerdy.

Fried turkey is really so easy and relatively cheap for the amount of food. Pulled pork is the only easier and more prolific amounts of meat.


Pulled pork Tastes better too.

Never had it. Probably never will since I rarely eat pork now.


There are a lot of problems with modern pork that I could go on and on about but probably summed up with efficiency of gain does not equal quality.


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I'm deep-frying 3 turkeys that I bought last week and nobody can come to our house due to COVID exposure.

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Deep fry as needed. Left over deep fried turkey is inedible. I would rather eat charcoal. It only takes a little while to fry them so keep the oil hot all weekend if you need to. The turkey right out of the oil is awesome though.

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There are a lot of problems with modern pork that I could go on and on about but probably summed up with efficiency of gain does not equal quality.


Go on and on.

I'm interested.

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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Fried turkey is the bomb, as the 35-year old kids say.

I don't know what real kids say now. Mine don't talk to me. They just call me stupid and nerdy.

Fried turkey is really so easy and relatively cheap for the amount of food. Pulled pork is the only easier and more prolific amounts of meat.


Pulled pork Tastes better too.

Never had it. Probably never will since I rarely eat pork now.


There are a lot of problems with modern pork that I could go on and on about but probably summed up with efficiency of gain does not equal quality.

I'm actually surprised that it took this long after watching a hog get killed, bled and butchered at a family event down south.

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Left over deep fried turkey is inedible.


How? It's got all that peanut oil flavor in it.

Low and slow reheat with some moisture. It's quite good.

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Spaulding wrote:
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I said it was irrational.. I just got really tired of people I know who would extol the benefits of them and then I'd eat their creations and they would be tasteless mushy crap. But everything they cook fits that description. So, in my experience its rational but I know its really the allergy to flavor that these people have.


It's not really irrational. Some good some bad. I'm horrible with crockpots and instapots. Other people serve me stuff and I think it's fine. Nothing turns out for me. I can see myself getting an air fryer and saying frozen food what?

They are simple enough for meals with multiple ingredients that take time to cook. I find everyting comes out soft and mushy but the taste is fine. We use our maybe twice a year now when my wife decides she wants pot roast and the holidays when we make the meatbalss, chilli sauce and jelly recipe.

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Left over deep fried turkey is inedible.


How? It's got all that peanut oil flavor in it.

Low and slow reheat with some moisture. It's quite good.

That shit pretty much turns to dust an hour after coming out of the oil. Reheating doesnt usually make meat more moist. I dont care how you heat it.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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There are a lot of problems with modern pork that I could go on and on about but probably summed up with efficiency of gain does not equal quality.


Go on and on.

I'm interested.



In the late 70's and early 80's the war on fat in meat commenced. Pork positioned themselves as the other white meat and bred all of the fat out of pork over time. At the same time pork production moved from small, outdoor production to centralized commercial breeding using line breeding and hybrids that can basically only survive in confinement situations. Hook space at processing plants became dominated by cooperate owned farms and the independent producer is now virtually extinct. When they bred the fat out and pushed pork as a chicken replacement people had a hard time cooking it. Lean meat is hard to cook, especially of you cook it to well done. It dries out and gets tough. Enter the injection of saline to pork.Buy your pork from an independent producer and you will see three things if they do it right. Actual marbling in the meat. An actual rind of fat on the carcass vs almost no fat on commercial animals. Fat=flavor.A completely different texture of the meat. By being outside the meat will have a firmness that doesn't exist in Tyson and Smithfield pork. If you can get Berkshire or Chesterwhite you have a good start. A breed like Red Wattle will be heavy fat but damn good. Even better if they take the hog to over 300 pounds.


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Regular Reader wrote:
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There are a lot of problems with modern pork that I could go on and on about but probably summed up with efficiency of gain does not equal quality.

I'm actually surprised that it took this long after watching a hog get killed, bled and butchered at a family event down south.



That's a different aversion reason and I'd never blame anyone for it.


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The Man wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Man wrote:
Left over deep fried turkey is inedible.


How? It's got all that peanut oil flavor in it.

Low and slow reheat with some moisture. It's quite good.

That shit pretty much turns to dust an hour after coming out of the oil. Reheating doesnt usually make meat more moist. I dont care how you heat it.


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It's not as good but it sounds like the original fried turkey is over-cooked/fried. It should be very juicy even as a leftover.

OK, I'll back off on very but somewhat. That's why it is so good. Oven turkey bakes it out to dry-ness right off the bat.

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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Drunk Squirrel wrote:
There are a lot of problems with modern pork that I could go on and on about but probably summed up with efficiency of gain does not equal quality.


Go on and on.

I'm interested.



In the late 70's and early 80's the war on fat in meat commenced. Pork positioned themselves as the other white meat and bred all of the fat out of pork over time. At the same time pork production moved from small, outdoor production to centralized commercial breeding using line breeding and hybrids that can basically only survive in confinement situations. Hook space at processing plants became dominated by cooperate owned farms and the independent producer is now virtually extinct. When they bred the fat out and pushed pork as a chicken replacement people had a hard time cooking it. Lean meat is hard to cook, especially of you cook it to well done. It dries out and gets tough. Enter the injection of saline to pork.Buy your pork from an independent producer and you will see three things if they do it right. Actual marbling in the meat. An actual rind of fat on the carcass vs almost no fat on commercial animals. Fat=flavor.A completely different texture of the meat. By being outside the meat will have a firmness that doesn't exist in Tyson and Smithfield pork. If you can get Berkshire or Chesterwhite you have a good start. A breed like Red Wattle will be heavy fat but damn good. Even better if they take the hog to over 300 pounds.

I remember reading about this 25-30 years ago. Before Food Network got a foothold.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Man wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Left over deep fried turkey is inedible.


How? It's got all that peanut oil flavor in it.

Low and slow reheat with some moisture. It's quite good.

That shit pretty much turns to dust an hour after coming out of the oil. Reheating doesnt usually make meat more moist. I dont care how you heat it.


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It's not as good but it sounds like the original fried turkey is over-cooked/fried. It should be very juicy even as a leftover.

OK, I'll back off on very but somewhat. That's why it is so good. Oven turkey bakes it out to dry-ness right off the bat.

That is why I spatchcock every turkey I bake or smoke. You can actually cook if evenly.

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The Man wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Man wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Man wrote:
Left over deep fried turkey is inedible.


How? It's got all that peanut oil flavor in it.

Low and slow reheat with some moisture. It's quite good.

That shit pretty much turns to dust an hour after coming out of the oil. Reheating doesnt usually make meat more moist. I dont care how you heat it.


Image

It's not as good but it sounds like the original fried turkey is over-cooked/fried. It should be very juicy even as a leftover.

OK, I'll back off on very but somewhat. That's why it is so good. Oven turkey bakes it out to dry-ness right off the bat.

That is why I spatchcock every turkey I bake or smoke. You can actually cook if evenly.


I want to give that a try.

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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Drunk Squirrel wrote:
There are a lot of problems with modern pork that I could go on and on about but probably summed up with efficiency of gain does not equal quality.


Go on and on.

I'm interested.



In the late 70's and early 80's the war on fat in meat commenced. Pork positioned themselves as the other white meat and bred all of the fat out of pork over time. At the same time pork production moved from small, outdoor production to centralized commercial breeding using line breeding and hybrids that can basically only survive in confinement situations. Hook space at processing plants became dominated by cooperate owned farms and the independent producer is now virtually extinct. When they bred the fat out and pushed pork as a chicken replacement people had a hard time cooking it. Lean meat is hard to cook, especially of you cook it to well done. It dries out and gets tough. Enter the injection of saline to pork.Buy your pork from an independent producer and you will see three things if they do it right. Actual marbling in the meat. An actual rind of fat on the carcass vs almost no fat on commercial animals. Fat=flavor.A completely different texture of the meat. By being outside the meat will have a firmness that doesn't exist in Tyson and Smithfield pork. If you can get Berkshire or Chesterwhite you have a good start. A breed like Red Wattle will be heavy fat but damn good. Even better if they take the hog to over 300 pounds.


Interesting. My brother and I try to split a hog each year more like 200 lbs. It is much better because you can see the fat and marbling - makes a huge difference in the sausages.

We get sausage patties that we cook like burgers and are fantastic. I didn't know that history.

I was preoccupied telling my Father I never want to be a farmer.

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That is why I spatchcock every turkey I bake or smoke. You can actually cook if evenly.


I've done chicken, never a turkey.

What size turkey are you using? Seems like way more variables with regard to size and thickness.

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That is why I spatchcock every turkey I bake or smoke. You can actually cook if evenly.


I've done chicken, never a turkey.

What size turkey are you using? Seems like way more variables with regard to size and thickness.

One day I'll have to give a natural/organic turkey a try I guess

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That is why I spatchcock every turkey I bake or smoke. You can actually cook if evenly.


I've done chicken, never a turkey.

What size turkey are you using? Seems like way more variables with regard to size and thickness.

One day I'll have to give a natural/organic turkey a try I guess


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That is why I spatchcock every turkey I bake or smoke. You can actually cook if evenly.


I've done chicken, never a turkey.

What size turkey are you using? Seems like way more variables with regard to size and thickness.

One day I'll have to give a natural/organic turkey a try I guess



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Man, I could totally go for a Cajun Thanksgiving.

My half-Irish/half-Filipino family has come around to this full-Irish guy's love of Cajun food. It's just hard to find and crazy-hard to cook.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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That is why I spatchcock every turkey I bake or smoke. You can actually cook if evenly.


I've done chicken, never a turkey.

What size turkey are you using? Seems like way more variables with regard to size and thickness.

One day I'll have to give a natural/organic turkey a try I guess


Don't you owe me a gumbo recipe?

I haven't made it in 2 1/2 years. Got offered a substantial amount to make it for a couple restaurants though. I'll give you an ingredients list though. You'd be only the second person who's seen it though. And the first didn't try to copy it until she and her girlfriends were on their third bowls though.

And it's been a pain in the ass since Treasure Island closed. The andouille I needed had to be brought in from Thibodaux Louisiana.

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Interesting. My brother and I try to split a hog each year more like 200 lbs. It is much better because you can see the fat and marbling - makes a huge difference in the sausages.

We get sausage patties that we cook like burgers and are fantastic. I didn't know that history.

I was preoccupied telling my Father I never want to be a farmer.

I was a wonderful son.



Eh... most farmers I talk to are realists about farm life and the prospect of kids wanting to stay. They either do or they don't it seams and better to stay because you want to than stay because of obligation.

200 hanging or 200 live weight? I've talked about this a bit with my neighbor who is still an old fashioned farrow to finish outside hog producer. Good guy. He has told me they have started paying a premium for a little more fat so hopefully they will get better. I'll probably talk myself into feeding out a few next year against my better judgement.


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Drunk Squirrel wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Interesting. My brother and I try to split a hog each year more like 200 lbs. It is much better because you can see the fat and marbling - makes a huge difference in the sausages.

We get sausage patties that we cook like burgers and are fantastic. I didn't know that history.

I was preoccupied telling my Father I never want to be a farmer.

I was a wonderful son.



Eh... most farmers I talk to are realists about farm life and the prospect of kids wanting to stay. They either do or they don't it seams and better to stay because you want to than stay because of obligation.

200 hanging or 200 live weight? I've talked about this a bit with my neighbor who is still an old fashioned farrow to finish outside hog producer. Good guy. He has told me they have started paying a premium for a little more fat so hopefully they will get better. I'll probably talk myself into feeding out a few next year against my better judgement.


My Mom told me to go be a lawyer.

I think you're right now that I think about it. It was 300 lbs. we split to get 150 gross/per.

It wasn't a whole lot. Only cost about $200/per I think last time we did it and only fill up a bit of the freezer.

I thought it was a very cheap way to get great pork.

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I would sign an NDA.

Can you make at least a brick red roux?

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I would sign an NDA.

Can you make at least a brick red roux?


I think so. Patience. I have it.

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