He doesn't look like an Arena quarterback.

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Just because something's worth some higher price to you, doesn't mean you need to go out of your way to pay that price. Belichik didn't trade up to get the best QB in the draft (to date). Tho I don't see Jones being the best long-term, except if all the other QB's in this draft end up being middling starters or backups. Jones is a middling starter and, currently, that's better than Lawrence/Wilson/Lance/Fields. Fields or Lance probably have the best shot long-term at being better than middling nfl starters. Wilson's a CFL QB at best. I don't know what's going on with Lawrence down in Jacksonville, Meyer's fuckery killing his confidence? Dunno.

Rosen's rookie numbers. 14 games played

217 for 393, 55% completion rate. 2,278 yards with 11 TDs and 14 INTs.

Fields trending...

197 for 332, 59% completion rate. 2,279 yards 7 TDs and 14 INTs.

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I don't think that the Bears were in position to leave the first round empty-handed. None of those quarterbacks were going to be available at 20. Bears fans would have really been pissed if Jenkins was drafted at #20.

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The stat game can be played a lot of ways. Rosen never looked like an NFL quarterback and still doesn't. Fields looks like at worst an NFL starter.

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Fields will certainly be given at least as many years as Sam Darnold has been given. But, he better improve, because those numbers don't win many games. Teams are much more willing to cut bait early on below average QBs than they've ever been.

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And based on that then the Jags should cut Lawrence tomorrow.

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I don't disagree.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was an easy scapegoat even though almost all the success the Bears had was with him playing well. He wasn't Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson so it was easy to say he was the one at fault. The Bears got a "better" quarterback in Dalton and Fields and the Bears are a worse team so they know they were taken down the primrose path.

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Mitch sucks, he finally got in yesterday and shit the bed again. Any success the team had fell squarely on the Defense.

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The numbers are bad but Ive seen enough to feel good about his potential...if we can get Pace and Nagy out of here in 2 months.

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What do you think of Josh Allen then if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing an interception in a blowout is your evidence.

You can think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky wasn't good but it's undeniable that he was a driving force behind that year the Bears made the playoffs when they were actually good, and he saved the season last year by his play after Nagy/Foles derailed it.

Now Dalton and Fields are showing once again that it's Nagy that is the problem.

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I think Allen is fantastic, he has a track record to back it up..he has won playoff games and performed well..he has thrown 40 plus tds...so dont compare that chump to Allen the year the Bears lost to Philly the offense sucked..bottom 5 offense, that was all defense... the philly game they scored 16 points.. putrid.

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Yet Allen was even worse, and when it actually mattered, yesterday. It's not to compare them. Allen is far better. It's just a bad point to use yesterday as a reason that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't good.

Dalton, Fields, and Foles have been worse than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky under Nagy. Fields has the excuse of being a rookie. There still is a common pattern.

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How ya figure Allen was worse?

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What percentage success do you attribute to the defense for 2018 and what percent to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had highs and lows that year but his game against the Eagles perfectly encapsulated what he actually is: ineffective. For all the talk about Parker's blocked kick people forget that Parker was actually the best offensive weapon we had that day.

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I like when callers call Mitch, Trabinsky LOL

I bring that up every time someone mentions "Parkey lost that game". He outscored the entire offense.

Yep, he was the offense. And to be clear, I agree with Rick when he says there's a "Nagy effect" you have to account for in that he invariably makes players worse. But absent Nagy (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is still not a starting caliber QB.

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T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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We scored 15 points, not 16.. pathetic.
So Mitch in two games vs Philly that year put up one TD and 29 total points.. 14.5 ppg

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I know the Ravens were laying at least 5 for most of the week, but where was the spread at game time when Lamar Jackson was ruled out?

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He was terrible and had a garbage time td to make it look alright.

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I don't know what the percentages are. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played well that season.

He had a bad playoff game. I'm not saying he was great. I'm saying it is clear that he wasn't the problem. Dalton, Foles, and Fields(with an asterisk given he is a rookie) show that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, who outperformed all of them, was overcoming Nagy rather than holding Nagy back.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's throw to Robinson to get the Bears into FG range at the end of that game was one of his 3 best throws in the 4 years he spent here.

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Even in 2018, when Nagy was held in high regard by many, he was still criticized on CFMB and the Score for failing to run the ball consistently, run play-action, and capitalize on Mitch's strengths by moving the pocket. It's now 2021 and all of these criticisms have been repeated ad nauseam in his handling of Fields. Adding insult to injury is the fact that Nagy clearly has no idea how to prepare his team for the season by using training camp effectively.

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he didn't have to trade up. he know Jones would get there.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky riding in on his white horse late last year is very likely the reason Nagy still has a job. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't coming through that door this year and Fields is still not ready.

The same things that I strongly criticized Nagy for in 2018 and 2019 were dismissed because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was the problem. The media and MANY at CFMB said that Nagy couldn't work with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is dumb. The media said Nagy found Mahomes and knows what a good quarterback looks like and he should be allowed to draft and develop a quarterback of his choosing.

The media spent the spring and summer blowing Nagy for the Fields pick. They were excited about him getting the opportunity to develop his guy. Then they inexplicably turned on Nagy before Justin Fields had even started 1 game. They began using the very criticisms of Nagy that they dismissed for 3 years while (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was here to demand that he be fired.

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You spent the offseason and the early part of this season telling us that Nagy was a good head coach and shouldn't be fired.

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I stand by my comments that he is a good head coach based on the fact that the team is always behind him and they haven't quit. That's tough to do. Especially when you have losing streaks. I've said for over 3 years that Nagy sucks calling plays and that he was a bigger problem than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. If what I saw as Nagy's incompetence wasn't enough to fire him last year, he has done nothing this year to lose his job.

Nagy is playing a rookie quarterback who still isn't the best quarterback on the team. That rookie has made a lot of progress from Week 2. While playing a far tougher schedule than Mac Jones.

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His team is sloppy (offensive execution, not just playcalling is frequently terrible), undisciplined and seems only intermittently interested in playing hard. And Nagy's inflexibility on offense suggests that he is hampering Fields development more than he is facilitating it. He is not a good head coach.

I would also add that good teachers and coaches design lessons and schemes that meet students/players on their own terms. Nagy has proven--with two young quarterbacks--to be incapable of doing so. Rather than putting his players in a position to succeed by maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses, his coaching puts his players in a position where they are likely to fail by minimizing strengths and maximizing weaknesses.

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