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I can sympathize/empathize with plight that I haven't endured, but that stops the moment the decision is made to repeatedly commit violent gun crime. You're just making excuses at this point. Does everyone get to have their life stories weighted against their violent acts, or just people you deem unpunishable by some secret rubric?

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Was i wrong to hope that you would keep your mouth shut so your ignorance wouldn't flow so freely??
You were wrong to think that I'd give a shit about anything having to do with you.



Yes, people should have their life weighted before being judged and punished.

And you do give a shit about me, otherwise you wouldn't have responded. Now, call me a fuckwad and move on. Dope. :lol:


There you have it Frank, I got the nimrod to tee it up for you. Blast away.


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Yeah, that's what you did. DOPE

Frank's on ignore because he's a lying piece of shit who talks trash and makes bets he can't afford.

But thanks to the power of the quote function, I still get gems like "Governor Pritzker cares about me." :lol:

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You calling others out for being stupid is even worse than Caller Bob running around posting his ankle biter gif.
The same can be said for you being a lying piece of shit as you have replied to things I've said that WERE NOT quoted, Seacrest.

Keep being you, and keep allowing Scot to post his racist diatribes here.

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Seacrest wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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I can sympathize/empathize with plight that I haven't endured, but that stops the moment the decision is made to repeatedly commit violent gun crime. You're just making excuses at this point. Does everyone get to have their life stories weighted against their violent acts, or just people you deem unpunishable by some secret rubric?

Seacrest wrote:
Was i wrong to hope that you would keep your mouth shut so your ignorance wouldn't flow so freely??
You were wrong to think that I'd give a shit about anything having to do with you.



Yes, people should have their life weighted before being judged and punished.

And you do give a shit about me, otherwise you wouldn't have responded. Now, call me a fuckwad and move on. Dope. :lol:


There you have it Frank, I got the nimrod to tee it up for you. Blast away.


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Yeah, that's what you did. DOPE

Frank's on ignore because he's a lying piece of shit who talks trash and makes bets he can't afford.

But thanks to the power of the quote function, I still get gems like "Governor Pritzker cares about me." :lol:

Yeah, nah.


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There is no crime that any 11 year old could commit where I would support locking them up and throwing away the key. I don't think any 11 year old is irredeemable.
I'm skeptical that you would feel this way if an 11 year old assaulted or killed one of your family members.


The bigger question is why is an 11yr old is jacking cars at gun point. No one sane is saying lock him up and throw away the key. Locking him up for a year and giving him the skills to get a job in a few years would be my answer. Letting him go and ignoring the offense will only encourage him to do it again.



Where is this place that he can go where he won't be assaulted and can learn a skill?

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Looks like vito dropped a precision bomb and got the board worked up into a frenzy.

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Looks like vito dropped a precision bomb and got the board worked up into a frenzy.



I think its more obvious that vito doesn't care and is now surprised how many others do!

OOps... :oops:

This is a societal problem that needs to be solved.

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Yeah, no one ever gets killed during armed carjackings. Let him go.


I never said they didn't. You appear to be arguing that it's a near certainty that someone will be killed unless this kid is thrown away until they are 18 or 21. You could be right, I just wanted to know if you had data to back up your claim.

Near certainty? No. And I don't have data, but seems to happen fairly frequently.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago ... nt=gws-wiz


I've seen and heard the stories. We're up to almost 2k carjackings for the year. Which is absolutely insane. Not to go Neil Degrasse Tyson on you, but a higher percentage of people die from covid than carjackings ending with someone being shot. That doesn't even take into account a middle school kid doing the carjacking.

I know that it doesn't make any carjacking victim feel better, but the police are solving these crimes at an extremely high rate. They should be commended for that.

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Nas wrote:
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Yeah, no one ever gets killed during armed carjackings. Let him go.


I never said they didn't. You appear to be arguing that it's a near certainty that someone will be killed unless this kid is thrown away until they are 18 or 21. You could be right, I just wanted to know if you had data to back up your claim.

Near certainty? No. And I don't have data, but seems to happen fairly frequently.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago ... nt=gws-wiz


I've seen and heard the stories. We're up to almost 2k carjackings for the year. Which is absolutely insane. Not to go Neil Degrasse Tyson on you, but a higher percentage of people die from covid than carjackings ending with someone being shot. That doesn't even take into account a middle school kid doing the carjacking.

I know that it doesn't make any carjacking victim feel better, but the police are solving these crimes at an extremely high rate. They should be commended for that.


Yes, middle school children are known for their trigger discipline and commitment to overall safety when handling firearms, even when robbing people. Are you seriously this fucking insane that you'd even think to argue that being carjacked by a middle schooler with a gun is actually safer than a "normal" carjacking?


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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There is no crime that any 11 year old could commit where I would support locking them up and throwing away the key. I don't think any 11 year old is irredeemable.
I'm skeptical that you would feel this way if an 11 year old assaulted or killed one of your family members.


That was the first thing that I considered before typing my response. Obviously, I hope that it is never put to a test, but I'm fairly confident that I wouldn't want to throw the kid away. His parents? His family? Absolutely!
His family? Siblings, cousins, uncles? Kim Jong Nas over here :P

I hope it is never a test either, but again if a habitual offender with an arrest record happened to carjack one of your kids, I'm still very skeptical that you wouldn't want him/her prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.


:lol: :lol: No doubt I would blame the family and be itching for any excuse to attack a father or uncle. I've never met a young kid who decided to commit crimes on their own. There is usually a family member who has encouraged it or given their child away to an awful community.

It really shouldn't shock anyone here that I have a bleeding heart for young kids. Regardless of the story, I may come off as excusing their behavior.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Yeah, no one ever gets killed during armed carjackings. Let him go.


I never said they didn't. You appear to be arguing that it's a near certainty that someone will be killed unless this kid is thrown away until they are 18 or 21. You could be right, I just wanted to know if you had data to back up your claim.

Near certainty? No. And I don't have data, but seems to happen fairly frequently.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago ... nt=gws-wiz


I've seen and heard the stories. We're up to almost 2k carjackings for the year. Which is absolutely insane. Not to go Neil Degrasse Tyson on you, but a higher percentage of people die from covid than carjackings ending with someone being shot. That doesn't even take into account a middle school kid doing the carjacking.

I know that it doesn't make any carjacking victim feel better, but the police are solving these crimes at an extremely high rate. They should be commended for that.


Yes, middle school children are known for their trigger discipline and commitment to overall safety when handling firearms, even when robbing people. Are you seriously this fucking insane that you'd even think to argue that being carjacked by a middle schooler with a gun is actually safer than a "normal" carjacking?


How many middle school kids have killed someone in a carjacking? How many middle school kids have carjacked someone? I think it's more likely that the middle school kid would be shot or have a gun taken from them, but I don't have any data to back that up either since nearly every middle school kid in the country aren't carjacking anyone.

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I have long believed that there needs to be some reforms made when it comes to juvenile laws. They are much too lax.
Unfortunately in order for this to occur there needs to be a rethinking on the part of politicians and social Justice types. There is an existing belief regarding the "Innocence of Youth" that needs to change. Children are fallible too. They make mistakes yet the people involved in administering "punishment" rarely see it this way. There is a fear that incarceration will permanently scar the child thus they are reluctant to place them "into the system"

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Nas wrote:
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Yeah, no one ever gets killed during armed carjackings. Let him go.


I never said they didn't. You appear to be arguing that it's a near certainty that someone will be killed unless this kid is thrown away until they are 18 or 21. You could be right, I just wanted to know if you had data to back up your claim.

Near certainty? No. And I don't have data, but seems to happen fairly frequently.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago ... nt=gws-wiz


I've seen and heard the stories. We're up to almost 2k carjackings for the year. Which is absolutely insane. Not to go Neil Degrasse Tyson on you, but a higher percentage of people die from covid than carjackings ending with someone being shot. That doesn't even take into account a middle school kid doing the carjacking.

I know that it doesn't make any carjacking victim feel better, but the police are solving these crimes at an extremely high rate. They should be commended for that.


Yes, middle school children are known for their trigger discipline and commitment to overall safety when handling firearms, even when robbing people. Are you seriously this fucking insane that you'd even think to argue that being carjacked by a middle schooler with a gun is actually safer than a "normal" carjacking?


How many middle school kids have killed someone in a carjacking? How many middle school kids have carjacked someone? I think it's more likely that the middle school kid would be shot or have a gun taken from them, but I don't have any data to back that up either since nearly every middle school kid in the country aren't carjacking anyone.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG you're actually doing it, with the Texas Sharpshooter "during a carjacking" caveat to boot. MANY, Nas. The answer is MANY. MANY middle schoolers have mishandled firearms and shot someone unintentionally, so it perfectly stands to reason that a middle schooler committing armed carjackings is inherently more dangerous.

Just say what you mean, everyone else can see it.


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I have long believed that there needs to be some reforms made when it comes to juvenile laws. They are much too lax.
Unfortunately in order for this to occur there needs to be a rethinking on the part of politicians and social Justice types. There is an existing belief regarding the "Innocence of Youth" that needs to change. Children are fallible too. They make mistakes yet the people involved in administering "punishment" rarely see it this way. There is a fear that incarceration will permanently scar the child thus they are reluctant to place them "into the system"

Doesn't DCFS take over and he goes into foster care?


Not necessarily.

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Nas wrote:
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Yeah, no one ever gets killed during armed carjackings. Let him go.


I never said they didn't. You appear to be arguing that it's a near certainty that someone will be killed unless this kid is thrown away until they are 18 or 21. You could be right, I just wanted to know if you had data to back up your claim.

Near certainty? No. And I don't have data, but seems to happen fairly frequently.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago ... nt=gws-wiz


I've seen and heard the stories. We're up to almost 2k carjackings for the year. Which is absolutely insane. Not to go Neil Degrasse Tyson on you, but a higher percentage of people die from covid than carjackings ending with someone being shot. That doesn't even take into account a middle school kid doing the carjacking.

I know that it doesn't make any carjacking victim feel better, but the police are solving these crimes at an extremely high rate. They should be commended for that.


Yes, middle school children are known for their trigger discipline and commitment to overall safety when handling firearms, even when robbing people. Are you seriously this fucking insane that you'd even think to argue that being carjacked by a middle schooler with a gun is actually safer than a "normal" carjacking?


How many middle school kids have killed someone in a carjacking? How many middle school kids have carjacked someone? I think it's more likely that the middle school kid would be shot or have a gun taken from them, but I don't have any data to back that up either since nearly every middle school kid in the country aren't carjacking anyone.


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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG you're actually doing it, with the Texas Sharpshooter "during a carjacking" caveat to boot. MANY, Nas. The answer is MANY. MANY middle schoolers have mishandled firearms and shot someone unintentionally, so it perfectly stands to reason that a middle schooler committing armed carjackings is inherently more dangerous.

Just say what you mean, everyone else can see it.


I don't want your opinion on how a middle school kid may handle a gun. If you have data, you should probably provide it. If not, you should continue your thing with LTG in the politics section.

I could not be more clear about what I mean with my actual words.

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Just say what you mean, everyone else can see it.


"Mr. Inferential" right there for ya. He knows what everyone else "wants" and "means" to say. Never himself though.

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Kid probably attends a school that focuses on "Restorative Justice".


I'm torn on this. I actually think that it could work if a school community actually believed in it and had strong leadership. I don't think most schools give a shit or they go to extremes by literally allowing the kids to do whatever they wan to do because of really weak leadership.

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Kid probably attends a school that focuses on "Restorative Justice".


I'm torn on this. I actually think that it could work if a school community actually believed in it and had strong leadership. I don't think most schools give a shit or they go to extremes by literally allowing the kids to do whatever they wan to do because of really weak leadership.


Restorative Justice is a joke. It presupposes that the victim is the perpetrator and the perpetrator is the victim. Inherently it makes excuses for perpetrators regardless of the offense. And it never takes into account the impact that its non stop advocacy of lenient policies will have on the learning environment. The only reason that it is pushed is because the bureaucrats want a reduction in their all important numbers.

None of the people who make decisions regarding restorative justice are ever the ones responsible for actually implementing it.

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I don't want your opinion on how a middle school kid may handle a gun. If you have data, you should probably provide it.

Young people aged 10-19 have by far the highest rate of inflicting accidental death on another person with a mishandled gun from 2005 to 2015, their death-causing rate per capita (and total deaths) being almost twice as high as the next group.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com ... 0/tables/2

And yeah, like I said, it's obvious what you mean here.


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"Mr. Inferential" right there for ya. He knows what everyone else "wants" and "means" to say. Never himself though.

Yeah, I think Nas exploring every possible avenue to excuse an 11 year old committing armed carjackings, up to and including arguing that an 11 year old robbing you with a gun is appreciably safer than being carjacked by an adult with a gun, demonstrates what he's really up to.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Just say what you mean, everyone else can see it.


"Mr. Inferential" right there for ya. He knows what everyone else "wants" and "means" to say. Never himself though.

Yeah, I think Nas exploring every possible avenue to excuse an 11 year old committing armed carjackings, up to and including arguing that an 11 year old robbing you with a gun is appreciably safer than being carjacked by an adult with a gun, demonstrates what he's really up to.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Just say what you mean, everyone else can see it.


"Mr. Inferential" right there for ya. He knows what everyone else "wants" and "means" to say. Never himself though.

Yeah, I think Nas exploring every possible avenue to excuse an 11 year old committing armed carjackings, up to and including arguing that an 11 year old robbing you with a gun is appreciably safer than being carjacked by an adult with a gun, demonstrates what he's really up to.


But you still haven't actually stated "what he's really up to" Mr. Inferential.

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I don't want your opinion on how a middle school kid may handle a gun. If you have data, you should probably provide it.

Young people aged 10-19 have by far the highest rate of inflicting accidental death on another person with a mishandled gun from 2005 to 2015, their death-causing rate per capita (and total deaths) being almost twice as high as the next group.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com ... 0/tables/2

And yeah, like I said, it's obvious what you mean here.


Either I can't read or that link doesn't say what you think it does. It also doesn't show any middle school shooting data.

What do I REALLY mean? Are you afraid to share?

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I don't want your opinion on how a middle school kid may handle a gun. If you have data, you should probably provide it.

Young people aged 10-19 have by far the highest rate of inflicting accidental death on another person with a mishandled gun from 2005 to 2015, their death-causing rate per capita (and total deaths) being almost twice as high as the next group.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com ... 0/tables/2

And yeah, like I said, it's obvious what you mean here.

Nothing you can do. This is the price we pay to have the ability to protect ourselves against government oppression.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:

I don't want your opinion on how a middle school kid may handle a gun. If you have data, you should probably provide it.

Young people aged 10-19 have by far the highest rate of inflicting accidental death on another person with a mishandled gun from 2005 to 2015, their death-causing rate per capita (and total deaths) being almost twice as high as the next group.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com ... 0/tables/2

And yeah, like I said, it's obvious what you mean here.


Nah nice trick Inferential. His argument had nothing to do with 19 year olds. Or 15 year olds for that matter..

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If you at all believe in the rehabilitative theory of punishment, the 11 year old is your best opportunity

The kid has to be punished. It seems insane to me to think otherwise.

Punishing a yute for a serious transgression (or series of serious transgressions) seems the best way to show society cares about him (or her!).

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Nas wrote:
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I don't want your opinion on how a middle school kid may handle a gun. If you have data, you should probably provide it.

Young people aged 10-19 have by far the highest rate of inflicting accidental death on another person with a mishandled gun from 2005 to 2015, their death-causing rate per capita (and total deaths) being almost twice as high as the next group.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com ... 0/tables/2

And yeah, like I said, it's obvious what you mean here.


Either I can't read or that link doesn't say what you think it does. It also doesn't show any middle school shooting data.

Look at "other-inflicted deaths". Then at the "rate" and "total" figures for the 10-19 age group. Pretending you don't know how to read a table is a nice touch.


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Kid probably attends a school that focuses on "Restorative Justice".


I'm torn on this. I actually think that it could work if a school community actually believed in it and had strong leadership. I don't think most schools give a shit or they go to extremes by literally allowing the kids to do whatever they wan to do because of really weak leadership.


Restorative Justice is a joke. It presupposes that the victim is the perpetrator and the perpetrator is the victim. Inherently it makes excuses for perpetrators regardless of the offense. And it never takes into account the impact that its non stop advocacy of lenient policies will have on the learning environment. The only reason that it is pushed is because the bureaucrats want a reduction in their all important numbers.

None of the people who make decisions regarding restorative justice are ever the ones responsible for actually implementing it.



It doesn't do that. It gives 2 or more kids the opportunity to be able to work out an issue they may be having instead of instantly removing kids from their learning environment by way of suspension.

Having an adult present who not only believes in the potential effectiveness of it, but who also has the skills would go a long way. Most young kids haven't figured out a way to reasonably work out a problem or try to understand how someone else may be feeling.

Administrators have a say in it and teachers do as well. They practically write the WSS. Unfortunately, far too many think so little of kids that they would prefer griping to colleagues or parents that they believe will be sympathetic than trying to actually help and educate children.

I'm not quite naive enough to believe that Restorative Justice or any singular measure will solve all problem or help all kids.

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I don't want your opinion on how a middle school kid may handle a gun. If you have data, you should probably provide it.

Young people aged 10-19 have by far the highest rate of inflicting accidental death on another person with a mishandled gun from 2005 to 2015, their death-causing rate per capita (and total deaths) being almost twice as high as the next group.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com ... 0/tables/2

And yeah, like I said, it's obvious what you mean here.


Either I can't read or that link doesn't say what you think it does. It also doesn't show any middle school shooting data.

What do I REALLY mean? Are you afraid to share?


He wants you to respond to what you THINK HE IS TRYING TO SAY so that he can counter with claims that he never said it. Same old tired as rope a dope. But no one is supposed to know.

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