His #s improved drastically once he began playing against bum ass teams. Epitome of a "bumslayer".

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So these are bum teams....

Phoenix 31/13
Golden State 28/9
Utah 27/6
Denver 30/9
Milwaukee 42/10
Memphis 31/10
New York 33/7

Interesting take

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Which Elite Guards has Trae Young ever checked? Which ones has he ever outplayed? I'm sure that list couldn't fill up one hand. Next time they play he will check whomever the worst offensive player happens to be from 1-3. And then you will come here lauding him as if he is the second coming of Nate "Tiny" Archibald.

I'd respect him a helluva lot more if he actually guarded guys that can score and got fucked up as opposed to being on the back of milk cartons every game on defense.

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Are you going to stay consistent with this ridiculous take?

If so, then you should also say the same thing about Zack Lavine and Derozen. Neither one of them guards the top 1-3 on the other team. That’s Lonzo’s man every game.

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Zach Lavine has always guarded his position for the most part. This year not as much but he has always guarded 2's and 3's.

Trae Young's scary ass never has and never will. They would place him on Will Perdue just to keep him from guarding BJ, Scottie and Mike..

None of this is much of a problem as long you keep him in a Michael Adams type of lane.

You don't though. You want to place him in a lane with the all time greats.

Well those dudes guarded their position. He doesn't.

And while you speak of Lavine and Derozan you fail to note where I have either in the pantheon of all time greats. I'm don't place either in that class of player.


Hell I probably wouldn't place either in the top 25-30 in the league currently. You have Trae as one of the greatest pgs to ever play the game.

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How many opposing star point guards attempt to check Trae? I can think of one all year, Ja…and he tore up his knee 10 minutes later. He gets checked by the opponent’s best wing/guard defender every game….and still puts up ALL TIME GREAT level stats.

I talk about Trae being an all time great because at this point that’s where his career is heading. Stats don’t lie.

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Jrue Holiday had no problem checking him in the playoffs.

I kind of stopped watching the Hawks after they demonstrated they really couldn't compete against the better teams but when I did there were guys who checked him.

He never checks anyone that is higher than a 3rd option on offense and while you want to put him in the "all time" great conversation, all time greats guarded people. Even if they themselves were not great defenders. He doesn't. He has been on the run from day 1. That's why he will never be "an all time great"

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Hey LTG, the only thing your biitch ass favorites Simmons and Irving are guarding nowadays are their recliners. That Young isn't a biitch like those two makes him levels above them.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Nothing shows a player's "competitive" spirit quite like checking Robert Covington when by all the laws of nature he should be checking Lillard or McCollum.

This and yet you think you have a clue as to what constitutes toughness and heart.

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Not true, Jrue got his ass handed to him by Trae in the playoffs. Go check the film on game 1. Anything after Trae came back with a hobbled ankle and was clearly limited doesn't count.



That said, I don't really have a problem with your argument here. If you are saying that Trae can never be an all time great because he doesn't play defense I can't really argue with that as long as you hold that same standard for every other player in history. That means according to you Steph is not an all time great. What about Magic? He was a pretty bad defender as well and couldn't guard his position. James Harden can't be an all time great. Steve Nash not an all time great.

If you hold that same standard to those guys I don't have an problem with your argument.

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Trae Young doesn't bother to guard guys in theory that he should guard.

If you are going to say he is better than this guy or that guy, then shouldn't he have to check them at some point.

He is a terrible defender who routinely hides from guys that can actually play. That's why I don't rock with him or guys like Curry either. You should lock up with guys at some point if you're that dude.

Anyone who has ever played basketball knows its easy as shit to be an "attack guy" when you know the other dude can't come back you.

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so you don't rock with 95% of the NBA stars these days. Got it.

None of those top guards guard Trae either so not sure of your point.

No, it is not easy to be in the top 5 in the NBA in scoring and assist even if you take the easiest cover on the other end. If that was true there would be 30 other players vying for top 5 in those categories.

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As expected Maxey on Trae. Trae on Danny Green. Gutless ass

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.500 on the season after last night's loss.
In 10th place. I'm almost ready to say that they are going to miss the playoffs.

I don't know how Shakes is going to recover from such a debacle

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They were on a great run and then the injuries all hit at once. All the wings decimated in a week span. Hunter, Bogi, Reddish...all out. Okongwu out as well, but not a wing.

Now we are starting such bums as TLC and Solomon Hill.

doesn't hurt that Capela has dropped off from last year a bit due to his achillis still bugging him.

Trae, Collins and Huerter have been great. Gallo has been decent most games. Lou Will has been awful. Losing all those players has really hurt.


Still should've done better vs Charlotte last night since they were missing 4 key players as well.


Need to tread water till players start coming back.

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Their 3 top guys have played all season. They look like a team destined to miss the playoffs this season. If they do it would be devastating for the franchise.

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If the Hawks get up to a top 4 seed people gonna have to start taking Trae MVP talk seriously.

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yea, it's crazy to think they might get a top 4 seed by the end of the year considering they now stand 1 game out of 4th place.


Moron.

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They also have 5 teams ahead of them for that 4th spot, you ambulance chasing loser.

yea 5 teams all within a game of each other. Definitely laughable to think one of those 5 teams will get the 4 seed.

Great insult too, being a successful attorney definitely something to bag on a guy about. Speaking of bags, how many times during your last shift did you ask someone "paper or plastic"?

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It's gonna happen....

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Yeah "It" being Curry running away with the award.

I'm not greedy, just looking for a top 5 MVP finish and 1st team all NBA. Would settle for 2nd team all NBA in a pinch.

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NBA finally starting to promote Trae this year. Great video.

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Hawks should start getting healthy in next few weeks. Hopefully they can hang on till then. Trae doing his part, but when you start TLC you can only hope for so much.

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Trae played terribly down the stretch last night and 10 for 27 isn't exactly "doing his part". And they should have a better record if he along with their other 3 top players are available. Which they have been all season. I don't think they make the playoffs this year. That is how bad they look. Particularly against quality competition. And as far as "hot young thing" teams go Cleveland and Charlotte have already bypassed them. There is no way Atlanta is a contending team going forward.

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Keep dreaming. Trae definitely gassed out at the end of the game after carrying the team for 3 quarters. Happens sometimes.

Trae and Collins have been great all year, but Capela has been up and down. They say he is still recovering from his achilles injury, but I can't tell.

Not having any wing players has been an issue all year. Hunter and Bogi weren't great when they played and then they got hurt. Cam has been up and down and then got hurt. Huerter started out bad, but has been playing well lately. Gallo has been solid. Lou Will has been hot garbage. Just need the wings and Okongwu to get back and then this team will take off just like last year. They're two games out of 4th place.

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They need the guy that you continue to claim is an elite player to play better. All teams have injuries. Hell the Nets popped them with no Kyrie and a James Harden who is beginning to look like a shell of his former self. No Joe Harris either. On Atlanta's home floor at that.

They are a .500 team with their 3 top guys healthy all season. You're already down to apologizing for injuries to 7th and 8th men guys as a reason for their subpar play when it has little to do with that. Atlanta is deepest at the wing positions. None of those guys are substantially better than the other. There is only a dropoff once you get to guys like TLC and Solo Hill. They lost to a Charlotte team that was missing 4 out of their top 5 players for god's sake.

If you replace Trae with any of the truly elite PGs in the league they become a better team overnight. He can continue to stat chase while playing shitty defense when others are actually going about the business of winning basketball games

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