Frank....I like you....you are a valued member of the board, but for the Love of God...Spaulding just knocked you on your ass with a truth bomb.

You bitching about Crest ignoring and replying is just as bad as Caller Bob and vaccination.....LET IT GO. No one cares.

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The kid allegedly brought a gun to the conference prior to the shooting.

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They charged the parents in the Michigan case. That seems to be extreme, but there is a part of me that at times wishes parents were held legally accountable for some of their kids actions.

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Saying so almost cost that exec from McDonald's his job (in the case of Adam Toledo).

It sure seemed like the parents here were opening the door to this kid's behavior, though.

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OK so the parents werent legally required to keep the gun locked up. What could they possibly be charged with ?

It was not immediately clear what charges the parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, could face. Oxford County Prosecuting Attorney Karen McDonald, who has said she is considering charging them, has suggested they were negligent in allowing their son access to the gun.

Unlike some states, Michigan does not legally require gun owners to keep their firearms secured from children.

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I would guess it's the same type of laws that apply when you don't lock up your alcohol but knowingly and willingly let your children use it.

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 A Michigan prosecutor on Friday filed involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of the 15-year-old suspect in the Oxford High School shooting.

Jennifer and James Crumbley were each charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter after their son, Ethan, was accused of fatally shooting four students at the suburban Detroit school on Tuesday.

Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald previously called Crumbley's parent's actions “far beyond negligence."



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 850669002/

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There should be a charge similar to dram shop. We hold bars responsible when their customers get hammered and then drive home and cause an accident. Same policy applies here in holding parents responsible when they don't raise or supervise their kids right and the kids go out and shoot up their schools.

I think it's good public policy to hold parents responsible for what their kids do.

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What about those kids who are just bullies?

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Should the parent of our 11 year old prolific carjacker face charges ?

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What about them? Don't understand what you are asking.

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they planning on charging any of the school officials? if we're seeking ultimate culpability, school had two known instances for concern couple days prior and kept him enrolled.

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'Your AT&T Universal Card has arrived'? Oh God, Kick-fucking-ass, I got a Master Card! I don't believe it, man. Life is kinda cool sometimes.

Or Adam Toledo, who was out at two in the morning.

People seem to respond to those questions differently and say that the parents can't control them.

I am not saying the carjacker's parents should be charged, but we have to untangle the reasons here, or decide what and what does not count as negligence. Is it if you got the tools for the crime at home, you are in trouble? I am literally asking.

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I mean, are parents responsible for them, too? I suppose maybe if they commit a crime?

I seriously am just asking. (I know that's a meme, but that's not what I mean.)

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If they provided him the gun to do it? Yes.

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It's worse when you bring a gun into a house with children and then basically treat it like you treat the family toaster, but in extreme circumstances I think all parents should be looked at for culpability. A kid who keeps carjacking? For sure charge the parents.

Is there a better deterrent to child crime than holding their parents responsible? I would think parents would take a lot more interest in stopping their kids from committing crimes if they were in danger of going to the big house if they didn't.

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Yeah I agree.

The school fucked up in a way that goes beyond negligence as well.

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Wait. Is the story that the parents bought the gun and gave it to the Michigan kid ?

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You would have significantly less street violence from minors. It would be hard to enforce though. While there are a lot of awful parents, you can't ignore the reality that government dictates a lot when it comes to parenting. Plus, there are those outlier kids who'll intentionally do things to get their parents in trouble because they hate them.

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Yes

4 days before the shooting.

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For me, I think a crime committed has to be extreme in nature, forseeable given the pre-crime factors and preventable with some non negligent parenting before I would hold parents responsible. I don't think simple bullying would qualify, but if the bullying went on and on and someone was greatly harmed and all the factors above were met then yes, parents could be held responsible.

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I think Kamala Harris tried to do something like this with school.

I'm not sure some parents have much control over their kids. Others don't care. Start charging parents....and that's gonna go sideways real quick. It also depends on how you define parent.

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Gotcha. Thank you, that was very clear.

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I know dad bought a gun prior to the shooting. I didnt know he gave it to junior.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

And its going to disproportionately affect black parents.

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A child not coming to school isn't a reason to arrest a parent IMO. Neither would drug use. I'm thinking more along the lines of violent crimes.

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That’s the report I read, but maybe it was wrong.

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Yes. He was posting with it on social media and that is where the parents are likely going to be in trouble. This isn't just a "He took the gun without my permission" situation.

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Juvenile records are sealed, etc. I thought the whole idea was to give kids a clean slate at 18. Now we want to start throwing parents in jail for their repeatedly violent juvenile ( where the crimes arent really supposed to count) kids ? How do you see that going ?

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