The domino effect would essentially have government raising kids. I'm aware that this isn't a truly realistic option, however, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that juvenile crimes would dramatically decline if a parent were held legally accountable in some way. Even the worst of kids at the very least love their mothers.

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Charging parents is fucking insane. Funny how parental neglect is the issue here though. Try mentioning that with Chicago crime. I saw a commercial that said Little Homicide’s parents provided him with love and support.

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I know what you are saying, and I am definitely not trying to start a petty argument, both both of those things pretty much kill your future, and throwing money at better schools hasn't solved the problem. I don't think we should charge the parents, either.

But things might get gray in those areas where actions are clearly destructive and immoral but still legal, or legal enough. So do we morally hold those parents responsible?

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So many parents (include me in on this, until a few years back) just don't know how to do it, or have their own pathologies. Or the dad ain't been around in seven years.

Things don't line up for easy legal charges or moral condemnation.

On the other hand, maybe worrying if you are going to bulldoze some people who don't deserve to be charged is a luxury we can't worry about, if there's a crisis in violence and anti-social behavior. On the other hand of that....etc.

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I haven't given up on kids, but I'm not a fan of MANY parents/adults. I'm not sure what can realistically be done, but I believe nearly every problem starts with a shitty parent regardless of environment.

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Like I said, the McDonald's exec had to publicly grovel because he said that Adam Toledo's parents were responsible for him being out at 2 am.

So we can't really have a real discussion if we're putting on the ideology goggles when the argument takes a turn into certain areas. You can't have no-go areas when you're trying to figure shit out. It's a power play, not persuasion.

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I don't think any parent knows how to be a parent when they become one. There is a lot of learning on the job and you probably don't figure things out until your kids are much older if ever. A lot of love, structure and consistency would probably go a long way. From my experience, a lot of parents try to parent when there is a crisis. In my opinion, that's too late.

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When I watched King Richard last night I was wondering what made him a great parent versus someone like Marv Marinovich.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah, it's a crazy difficult job.

One problem is that if you charge parents, pretty soon race and class are going to be involved, and then you'd likely have a state apparatus pointed directly to the people on the margins.

Then the intellectuals will claim the marginalized are further victims, which means they are off-limits, and we have to start this whole thing over again.

I do think that the environment (and perhaps genetics--some physical and mental conditions seem to eat away at resilience and make learning especially difficult), despite excellent parenting, can really lead kids astray.

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It was the cheeseburgers. King Richard owned a Checkers.

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Like always, results. If his girls crashed and burned he wouldn't be celebrated. Considering what he's done with some of his other biological children, I would struggle to call him a great parent.

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Sure, sure. I'm with you.[/quote]

At that age parents don't have the influence on children like their peers do. I think this would be a poor and not well thought out idea.

At that age parents don't have the influence on children like their peers do. I think this would be a poor and not well thought out idea.[/quote]
If I am not mistaken, some researchers have said that very thing.

However, good parents can go a long way towards insulating their kids to the shittiness of the world.

Ok, now I'll shut the hell up.

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He at best has 1 parent who may or may not be around on any given day or week. This kid probably drifts in and out of homes with some older teenagers who are doing the same shit. His parents are completely fucking worthless which is its own separate problem. The MI parents seem like they provided the pathway for this tragic event. I would absolutely relate it to the alcohol thing. This is no different than them buying him a bunch of liqour on black friday, telling him it is his and then letting him do whatever the hell he wanted with it and he drove drunk and killed someone.

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The ¨Whatabout Chicago Crime¨ Portion of the Show sure didn´t take long did it? Just Asking A Question.

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I don't know the full story, but it appears that the mother was somewhat encouraging his behavior prior to the shooting. I still think charging them is extreme unless they charge the district and school administrators for allowing the kid to go back to class.

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I will try to read up on it when I get some time because it was told second hand. It seems that the Admins mishandled from what I was told.

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That might be true, but what about legacy admissions? Probably held this kid back.

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Seems hard to believe the admin knew he had a gun in school and let him go back to class. Threatening to shoot up a school is one of the few things in Illinois that can lead to an auto out of school suspension. If parents were called because he was "acting weird" that is not going to get a kid sent home on it own. If admin was aware of the social media pictures, combined with behavior and still did not search his bag/locker, than that is where the issue will be.

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......but having a runny nose can get you sent home? There are a whole lot of people who need to remove their heads from their asses so they can see just how fucking stupid they are. All people need to have is basic amount of common sense and then use that common sense to make decisions.

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I have not seen anything which stated that they knew he had a gun in school. I think what they were informed of were social media posts of him holding a gun. They may have been informed of him making threats to shoot up the school. If they were informed of the latter then he should never have been sent back to class.

The only thing that I saw was some vague report regarding his behavior being ¨concerning¨. That could mean anything. IF he was threatening people over social media and the school was made aware they were required to act. If the school was made aware of the written threats of violence they were also required to act. If they were and did not they will be fired.

The district people in that particular suburb are already in cover their ass own mode too

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The average person not involved in education would be amazed at what you can and can not do in terms of discipline. Also what it takes to removed a kid.

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I thought I just read that he pictures on his desk depicting a shooting with guns, bullets, bodies and blood and the words "the voices won't stop", "help me". That should be like calling in a bomb threat. He apparently had the gun at the meeting but no one knew because they never made him open his bag and his bag was the only thing he could store it in as they weren't currently using lockers.

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The article that I posted said the kid was searching for bullets on a school computer and his mother was made aware of it. She then sent him an idiotic text.

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I saw that as well in the piece I read. That happened the week prior IIRC....Nov 21st. They were only called and emailed about that and never responded. The meeting happened when a teach found the drawings and they immediately pulled him from class and had the parents come in. They did nothing and sent him back to class and the rest is history.

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if anything about the threats was known and the only course of action was a meeting with the parents and kid, them being fired is not enough. If i was a parent of one of the deceased, that school district and the individuals involved would get slapped with a civil suit and drain their entire fucking pension fund

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They probably don't have metal detectors at the school he attends. In order to search his bag they would have had to have probable cause. Those words alone would not lead to a search. Nor would the picture. If he threatened someone on a social media post or in a written letter then that would have led to a suspension. They should have referred him for therapy regarding the voices stuff however.

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