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Nah. I mean, it's possible the lady was bullied, but I'd say the legacy of this, besides the murder of a kid (who is an actual victim), was that it was a civil rights watershed and no one was brought to legal justice. Also, I don't think there are statutes of limitations on moidahs. There are real reasons why this case still stands out, three generations later.

I support many of your posts in which you question the official story (even the early days of the Arbery case), but you're way off here.


The reason this story stands out still is that it is a Gospel in the new anti-racism religion. Where the only sin is not being a true enough believer. The case was a Civil Rights watershed as it was. Without having to change the facts 60 years later to try to make poor Emmett Till into even more of a victim. We don't have enough racism these days to serve up to the public. So we have to re-imagine history and re-write to make the villains even worse, and the victims even more virtuous.

Now feel free to tell me how I am way off here. Or why it's more important to remember Emmett Till in 2021 than all of the shattered kids who were victims of gun violence. We can still do something about that. Emmett Till is a martyr to a movement that became a racket decades ago.

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Emmett Till deserved to die. He disrespected some poor old lady back in 1955. I know he disrespected her because his father taught him to disrespect women. :roll: :roll:


wfr has to remain committed to the bit (even though he is completely humorless, so bit is giving it too much credit), from agreeing with the narrative of the time of the tulsa riots that it was just "unrest" (both sides being guilty of violence), to saying that this woman who was responsible for an innocent kid's death was "bullied".

i guess in his mind ol' solomon northup should've been captured like a rabbit and sold into slavery because in the end he wound up disappearing like the CPD-failed scumbag he was.


You earned your good liberal card for the day. Do you deny that there were deaths on both sides of the Tulsa Riot? We need to make sure that history is really neat and only the good guys versus the bad guys. Enjoy your original sin.

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Emmett Till deserved to die. He disrespected some poor old lady back in 1955. I know he disrespected her because his father taught him to disrespect women. :roll: :roll:


wfr has to remain committed to the bit (even though he is completely humorless, so bit is giving it too much credit), from agreeing with the narrative of the time of the tulsa riots that it was just "unrest" (both sides being guilty of violence), to saying that this woman who was responsible for an innocent kid's death was "bullied".

i guess in his mind ol' solomon northup should've been captured like a rabbit and sold into slavery because in the end he wound up disappearing like the CPD-failed scumbag he was.


You earned your good liberal card for the day. Do you deny that there were deaths on both sides of the Tulsa Riot? We need to make sure that history is really neat and only the good guys versus the bad guys. Enjoy your original sin.


Yeah there were no actual perpetrators in the Tulsa Massacre. Only Victims. That's sort of how historians remember it from what I have been told.

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Emmett Till deserved to die. He disrespected some poor old lady back in 1955. I know he disrespected her because his father taught him to disrespect women. :roll: :roll:


wfr has to remain committed to the bit (even though he is completely humorless, so bit is giving it too much credit), from agreeing with the narrative of the time of the tulsa riots that it was just "unrest" (both sides being guilty of violence), to saying that this woman who was responsible for an innocent kid's death was "bullied".

i guess in his mind ol' solomon northup should've been captured like a rabbit and sold into slavery because in the end he wound up disappearing like the CPD-failed scumbag he was.


You earned your good liberal card for the day. Do you deny that there were deaths on both sides of the Tulsa Riot? We need to make sure that history is really neat and only the good guys versus the bad guys. Enjoy your original sin.

Why do you feel the need to prove how much of a joyless and bitter piece of shit you are on a daily basis?

"It's what you do" isn't an answer btw.

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W_Z wrote:
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Emmett Till deserved to die. He disrespected some poor old lady back in 1955. I know he disrespected her because his father taught him to disrespect women. :roll: :roll:


wfr has to remain committed to the bit (even though he is completely humorless, so bit is giving it too much credit), from agreeing with the narrative of the time of the tulsa riots that it was just "unrest" (both sides being guilty of violence), to saying that this woman who was responsible for an innocent kid's death was "bullied".

i guess in his mind ol' solomon northup should've been captured like a rabbit and sold into slavery because in the end he wound up disappearing like the CPD-failed scumbag he was.


You earned your good liberal card for the day. Do you deny that there were deaths on both sides of the Tulsa Riot? We need to make sure that history is really neat and only the good guys versus the bad guys. Enjoy your original sin.

Why do you feel the need to prove how much of a joyless and bitter piece of shit you are on a daily basis?

"It's what you do" isn't an answer btw.


From the angriest person here, who has renounced friends he's spent time with, and wished death on posters he no longer agrees with politically including wishing that one succumbs to addiction. Yeah, maybe not the best candidate to cast stones.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

You earned your good liberal card for the day. Do you deny that there were deaths on both sides of the Tulsa Riot? We need to make sure that history is really neat and only the good guys versus the bad guys. Enjoy your original sin.


i don't deny anything--i know who started it and why. history is never neat, but there are stories that are open-shut cases.

i'm not the one nitpicking your every post, but there are some things that are just flat out egregious.


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You earned your good liberal card for the day. Do you deny that there were deaths on both sides of the Tulsa Riot? We need to make sure that history is really neat and only the good guys versus the bad guys. Enjoy your original sin.


i don't deny anything--i know who started it and why. history is never neat, but there are stories that are open-shut cases.

i'm not the one nitpicking your every post, but there are some things that are just flat out egregious.


The Tulsa Riot was portrayed as having a direct line to the January 6th riot by the President of the United States. Talk about egregious.

And it was racial violence with victims on both sides. This is an undeniable fact. The white side unquestionable did worst to the black side because they had more people and weapons. This is a common theme throughout history. It's not a reason to say that the spirit of Tulsa carries on to this day, and we should distrust out countrymen. That's how it's been portrayed by the media and the President. Rather than saying it was an ugly and violent incident from a bygone time it's an ever present threat that exists as original sin on the deplorables in society.

That's some dangerous rhetoric.

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you're putting it into the context of today's media exploits. i get that. i'm not talking about that, though, i'm talking about the event itself. and it was absolutely 100% an angry white mob that was allowed to wield that power at will. it's what gave us the red summer a few years prior to that. i mean, it's all part of the nadir, which shouldn't be downplayed. nor should it be blamed on blacks for fighting back, which is all they could do at the time.

there are certainly victim complexes being designed in the media right now; i've expressed my views on that around the board. i'm speaking of the events as they existed in their time.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Emmett Till deserved to die. He disrespected some poor old lady back in 1955. I know he disrespected her because his father taught him to disrespect women. :roll: :roll:


wfr has to remain committed to the bit (even though he is completely humorless, so bit is giving it too much credit), from agreeing with the narrative of the time of the tulsa riots that it was just "unrest" (both sides being guilty of violence), to saying that this woman who was responsible for an innocent kid's death was "bullied".

i guess in his mind ol' solomon northup should've been captured like a rabbit and sold into slavery because in the end he wound up disappearing like the CPD-failed scumbag he was.


You earned your good liberal card for the day. Do you deny that there were deaths on both sides of the Tulsa Riot? We need to make sure that history is really neat and only the good guys versus the bad guys. Enjoy your original sin.


Lest we go too far afield in assessing blame where it doesn't belong (a staple of this clown as long as it is black person involved) here is the official government report of the incident.

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Black Tulsans had every reason to believe that Dick Rowland would be lynched after his arrest. His charges were later dismissed and highly suspect from the start. They had cause to believe that his personal safety, like the defense of themselves and their community, depended on them alone. As hostile groups gathered and their confrontation worsened, municipal and county authorities failed to take actions to calm or contain the situation.

At the eruption of violence, civil officials selected many men, all of them white and some of them participants in that violence, and made those men their agents as deputies. In that capacity, deputies did not stem the violence but added to it, often through overt acts that were themselves illegal. Public officials provided fire arms and ammunition to individuals, again all of them white. Units of the Oklahoma National Guard participated in the mass arrests of all or nearly all of Greenwood’s residents.

They removed them to other parts of the city, and detained them in holding centers. Entering the Greenwood district, people stole, damaged, or destroyed personal property left behind in homes and businesses. People, some of them agents of government, also deliberately burned or otherwise destroyed homes credibly estimated to have numbered 1,256, along with virtually every other structure — including churches, schools, businesses, even a hospital and library — in the Greenwood district. Despite duties to preserve order and to protect property, no government at any level offered adequate resistance, if any at all, to what amounted to the destruction of the Greenwood neighborhood. Although the exact total can never be determined, credible evidence makes it probable that many people, likely numbering between 100-300, were killed during the massacre.

Not one of these criminal acts was then or ever has been prosecuted or punished by government at any level: municipal, county, state, or federal. Even after the restoration of order it was official policy to release a black detainee only upon the application of a white person, and then only if that white person agreed to accept responsibility for that detainee’s subsequent behavior. As private citizens, many whites in Tulsa and neighboring communities did extend invaluable assistance to the massacre’s victims, and the relief efforts of the American Red Cross in particular provided a model of human behavior at its best. Although city and county government bore much of the cost for Red Cross relief, neither contributed substantially to Greenwood’s rebuilding, in fact, municipal authorities acted initially to impede rebuilding.

Despite being numerically at a disadvantage, black Tulsans fought valiantly to protect their homes, their businesses, and their community. But in the end, the city’s African-American population was simply outnumbered by the white invaders. In the end, the restoration of Greenwood after its systematic destruction was left to the victims of that destruction. While Tulsa officials turned away some offers of outside aid, a number of individual white Tulsans provided assistance to the city’s now virtually homeless black population. But it was the American Red Cross, which remained in Tulsa for months following the massacre, that provided the most sustained relief effort. Maurice Willows, the compassionate director of the Red Cross relief, kept a history of the event (available in full under the “Documents” section of this online exhibit).

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you're putting it into the context of today's media exploits. i get that. i'm not talking about that, though, i'm talking about the event itself. and it was absolutely 100% an angry white mob that was allowed to wield that power at will. it's what gave us the red summer a few years prior to that. i mean, it's all part of the nadir, which shouldn't be downplayed. nor should it be blamed on blacks for fighting back, which is all they could do at the time.

there are certainly victim complexes being designed in the media right now; i've expressed my views on that around the board. i'm speaking of the events as they existed in their time.

I don’t think the flashpoint to Tulsa is as clear as what’s being suggested.

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you're putting it into the context of today's media exploits. i get that. i'm not talking about that, though, i'm talking about the event itself. and it was absolutely 100% an angry white mob that was allowed to wield that power at will. it's what gave us the red summer a few years prior to that. i mean, it's all part of the nadir, which shouldn't be downplayed. nor should it be blamed on blacks for fighting back, which is all they could do at the time.

there are certainly victim complexes being designed in the media right now; i've expressed my views on that around the board. i'm speaking of the events as they existed in their time.

I don’t think the flashpoint to Tulsa is as clear as what’s being suggested.


What's being suggested?

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you're putting it into the context of today's media exploits. i get that. i'm not talking about that, though, i'm talking about the event itself. and it was absolutely 100% an angry white mob that was allowed to wield that power at will. it's what gave us the red summer a few years prior to that. i mean, it's all part of the nadir, which shouldn't be downplayed. nor should it be blamed on blacks for fighting back, which is all they could do at the time.

there are certainly victim complexes being designed in the media right now; i've expressed my views on that around the board. i'm speaking of the events as they existed in their time.

I don’t think the flashpoint to Tulsa is as clear as what’s being suggested.


What's being suggested?

Angry white mob, blacks fighting back, etc.

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you're putting it into the context of today's media exploits. i get that. i'm not talking about that, though, i'm talking about the event itself. and it was absolutely 100% an angry white mob that was allowed to wield that power at will. it's what gave us the red summer a few years prior to that. i mean, it's all part of the nadir, which shouldn't be downplayed. nor should it be blamed on blacks for fighting back, which is all they could do at the time.

there are certainly victim complexes being designed in the media right now; i've expressed my views on that around the board. i'm speaking of the events as they existed in their time.

I don’t think the flashpoint to Tulsa is as clear as what’s being suggested.


What's being suggested?

Angry white mob, blacks fighting back, etc.


So in your opinion what was it that actually happened?

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you're putting it into the context of today's media exploits. i get that. i'm not talking about that, though, i'm talking about the event itself. and it was absolutely 100% an angry white mob that was allowed to wield that power at will. it's what gave us the red summer a few years prior to that. i mean, it's all part of the nadir, which shouldn't be downplayed. nor should it be blamed on blacks for fighting back, which is all they could do at the time.

there are certainly victim complexes being designed in the media right now; i've expressed my views on that around the board. i'm speaking of the events as they existed in their time.

I don’t think the flashpoint to Tulsa is as clear as what’s being suggested.


What's being suggested?

Angry white mob, blacks fighting back, etc.


So in your opinion what was it that actually happened?

It’s not really an opinion. It’s what happened. White guy arrested and lynched a year prior. Black people worried the kid from the elevator would be lynched in a similar fashion and gathered a decent sized armed group to go to the courthouse. Whites similarly gathered at the courthouse (which was the angry white mob).

Two groups argue, black guy shoots white guy. Sides retreat and angry white mob begins the disproportionate violence. Not saying it wasn’t a race riot; saying that it started when a black guy shot a white guy outside the courthouse, which is what happened.

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you're putting it into the context of today's media exploits. i get that. i'm not talking about that, though, i'm talking about the event itself. and it was absolutely 100% an angry white mob that was allowed to wield that power at will. it's what gave us the red summer a few years prior to that. i mean, it's all part of the nadir, which shouldn't be downplayed. nor should it be blamed on blacks for fighting back, which is all they could do at the time.

there are certainly victim complexes being designed in the media right now; i've expressed my views on that around the board. i'm speaking of the events as they existed in their time.

I don’t think the flashpoint to Tulsa is as clear as what’s being suggested.


What's being suggested?

Angry white mob, blacks fighting back, etc.


So in your opinion what was it that actually happened?

It’s not really an opinion. It’s what happened. White guy arrested and lynched a year prior. Black people worried the kid from the elevator would be lynched in a similar fashion and gathered a decent sized armed group to go to the courthouse. Whites similarly gathered at the courthouse (which was the angry white mob).

Two groups argue, black guy shoots white guy. Sides retreat and angry white mob begins the disproportionate violence. Not saying it wasn’t a race riot; saying that it started when a black guy shot a white guy outside the courthouse, which is what happened.


Some would argue that it started when the black guy was arrested on trumped up charges. But I digress.

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Some would probably argue it started long before that. But the specific act that started the violence was the black guy shooting the white guy. There’s not much debate (that I’ve seen) as to that point.

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Dick Roland and Sarah Beaver. A match made in heaven if there ever was one.

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Some would probably argue it started long before that. But the specific act that started the violence was the black guy shooting the white guy. There’s not much debate (that I’ve seen) as to that point.


There were editorials ran which claimed that a lynching was planned for that night. Hardly the stage setter for a "peaceful demonstration".

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Some people are just so desirous to be a victim and push their cult talking points that they'll say just about anything. Did you hear about George Floyd putting a gun to the stomach of a pregnant woman? You probably did. George Floyd was a complete piece of shit (didn't deserve to be murdered), but simply pointing out that he was a piece of shit and criminal isn't enough. They need to add an element that is completely false to their story, and continue pushing it no matter how many times it is pointed out that it is false. Then complain about others reimagining history.

Occasionally something race related the cult posts about is correct. It's not because there is some deep thinking going on. It is literally because they say the same shit all of the time. If you ask someone what day of the week it is and they always tell you it is Tuesday, they'll be right sometimes. That isn't some great achievement.

Some members of the cult are so miserable and hateful that they just want to spew ignorance all day long, but they need safe online targets to do so. It's best to just ignore them as much as possible. Literally, nothing good will come from the interaction. You're not "winning" any "debate". Telling them they're right about everything would probably piss them off more than objectively disagreeing.

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Some would probably argue it started long before that. But the specific act that started the violence was the black guy shooting the white guy. There’s not much debate (that I’ve seen) as to that point.


There were editorials ran which claimed that a lynching was planned for that night. Hardly the stage setter for a "peaceful demonstration".

I’m not judging the guy who kicked off the violence for assembling or bringing a gun to the courthouse. By all accounts the white guy was trying to take his gun; maybe a Rosenbaum ancestor.

My only comment was that the riot started when a black guy shot a white guy. That’s fact.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:24 pm 
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Some people are just so desirous to be a victim and push their cult talking points that they'll say just about anything. Did you hear about George Floyd putting a gun to the stomach of a pregnant woman? You probably did. George Floyd was a complete piece of shit (didn't deserve to be murdered), but simply pointing out that he was a piece of shit and criminal isn't enough. They need to add an element that is completely false to their story, and continue pushing it no matter how many times it is pointed out that it is false. Then complain about others reimagining history.

Occasionally something race related the cult posts about is correct. It's not because there is some deep thinking going on. It is literally because they say the same shit all of the time. If you ask someone what day of the week it is and they always tell you it is Tuesday, they'll be right sometimes. That isn't some great achievement.

Some members of the cult are so miserable and hateful that they just want to spew ignorance all day long, but they need safe online targets to do so. It's best to just ignore them as much as possible. Literally, nothing good will come from the interaction. You're not "winning" any "debate". Telling them they're right about everything would probably piss them off more than objectively disagreeing.


I learned long ago that nothing good will come of it. To me nothing good comes from ignoring it all of the time either. . For me its basically confirmation of things that I already knew anyway. This place isn't going to get better by engaging it. And it won't get better by ignoring it either.
It just sort of is what it is at this point.

You can focus on sports if you think that helps. The shows if you believe that helps. DiCaro. Whatever floats your boat but it isn't going to much change anything. It is mostly what you make of it at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Emmett Till
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:40 pm 
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My only comment was that the riot started when a black guy shot a white guy. That’s fact.


ok. and a white cop kneeled on a black guy until he died. that's a fact. i'm surprised so much was made of it.

if you want to be this superficial about things, then your points are pretty useless.


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 Post subject: Re: Emmett Till
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:49 pm 
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What in the ever loving fuck is going on in this thread?

Jesus Christ.

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 Post subject: Re: Emmett Till
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
My only comment was that the riot started when a black guy shot a white guy. That’s fact.


ok. and a white cop kneeled on a black guy until he died. that's a fact. i'm surprised so much was made of it.

You’ve just crafted an analogy that puts Mann in the Chauvin role.

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if you want to be this superficial about things, then your points are pretty useless.

I don’t know what that means. There are broader societal issues with what happened after the initial shooting, the later coverup (or more likely, apathy) and the dumbing down of what happened for modern consumption.

I’ve always thought the lesson there (and in most of southern history) was the danger of making whites out to be a monolith. Which is where things seem to have been headed in recent history.

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 Post subject: Re: Emmett Till
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Some people are just so desirous to be a victim and push their cult talking points that they'll say just about anything. Did you hear about George Floyd putting a gun to the stomach of a pregnant woman? You probably did. George Floyd was a complete piece of shit (didn't deserve to be murdered), but simply pointing out that he was a piece of shit and criminal isn't enough. They need to add an element that is completely false to their story, and continue pushing it no matter how many times it is pointed out that it is false. Then complain about others reimagining history.

Occasionally something race related the cult posts about is correct. It's not because there is some deep thinking going on. It is literally because they say the same shit all of the time. If you ask someone what day of the week it is and they always tell you it is Tuesday, they'll be right sometimes. That isn't some great achievement.

Some members of the cult are so miserable and hateful that they just want to spew ignorance all day long, but they need safe online targets to do so. It's best to just ignore them as much as possible. Literally, nothing good will come from the interaction. You're not "winning" any "debate". Telling them they're right about everything would probably piss them off more than objectively disagreeing.


This is a person who marched during the riots to claim victimhood. Who tried to destroy the board over the tone through surrogates Yet he claims that others are clinging to victimhood. It's quite incredible to witness.

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