I don’t feel like we need to keep Nagy. Last night however I did see that he cares greatly and isn’t dumb. I think that is what management sees or will decide.

If you got rid of Pace, I'd be curious what Nagy would do with another year. It has to be better than four wins. But I wouldn't keep Fields as QB.

Except for the start the Eagles are playing the way Bears fans wish their team could.

I don't want to see Nagy get fired. He has had to deal with a luck of bad luck and bad calls, too, like the roughing call on the Minn. pass play over the middle in the first half.

If you got rid of Pace, I'd be curious what Nagy would do with another year. It has to be better than four wins. But I wouldn't keep Fields as QB.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

WHEN INVESTIGATORS from The National Transportation Safety Board arrive in Lake Forest to begin sifting through the debris of The Matt Nagy Era, here's a date to focus on: Oct. 6, 2019.

That was the fateful Sunday when Nagy and the Bears played Jon Gruden and the Raiders at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London.

Going into the contest, Nagy was reigning NFL Coach of the Year. The two-year regular-season record of his Bears was a sterling 15-5.

They lost that British evening, 24-21.

Since that kickoff, Nagy's bobbleheads are 17-25.

Mere coincidence or a telling Queen's pitch into a football hell?

SOME BACKGROUND FACTS:

• The coalescing defense of the Bears was still getting to know coordinator Chuck Pagano, who had replaced the wizardly Vic Fangio the previous January;

• Khalil Mack was playing his first game vs. the Raiders -- the outfit that had allowed him to depart Oakland 14 months before, producing a projection of fury that assisted in surging the Bears into 6½-point favorites;

• Improbable wonder boy Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was out with a dislocated shoulder, so career plumber Chase Daniel started at QB for the Bears.

SOME NOTABLE ODDITIES and other Holmesian bric-a-brac:

• Second-year LB Roquan Smith had mysteriously missed the Bears previous game -- a 16-6 win over visiting Minnesota -- for "personal reasons" that still remain just that;

• Gruden, singed by a 27-3 loss to the Seahawks at Wembley Stadium the previous autumn, had his Raiders fly directly from a game at Indianapolis the previous Sunday to London;

• The Bears -- presumably after all due consideration by top-level decision-makers including George McCaskey and Ryan Pace -- rolled into London a full four days after Oakland, on Friday.

GAME FACTS:

• Although hardly a juggernaut, Derek Carr and the less jet-lagged Raiders led 17-0 at the half;

• Daniel and the Bears responded with a 21-point third quarter and were ahead 21-17 entering the final 15 minutes;

• In a remarkable foretelling of all The Nagy Era has disintegrated into, Gruden's gang somehow plugged together a 15-play, 93-yard drive that culminated when Josh Jacobs hurdled into the London air with 1:57 remaining for the winning TD.

CONCLUSIONS AND OTHER CHICAGO SPORTS MYSTICISM:

• Chicago team "eras" have been known to flip on a single event.

Leo Durocher and the 1969 "Black Cat Game" at Shea Stadium -- which actually featured a trained feline named Choo Choo from Queensborough Casting -- is one example.

Dick Motta, Chet Walker and The Mother's Day Meltdown of 1975 in the NBA Western Conference Finals against Golden State is another.

Anything Jeremy Colliton touched would be a third;

• Nagy was young magic personified when his Bears deplaned at London's Heathrow Airport. The genie has never stayed out of his coaching bottle ever since;

• NFL or otherwise, it's a hard world to sustain a break in.

That will undoubtedly be part of the final NTSB report from Lake Forest.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

Interesting take in the Herald; they opined that the beginning of the end for Nagy was the blown London game, starting with outsmarting themselves by arriving in London 4 days after the Raiders.

https://www.dailyherald.com/apps/pbcs.d ... 331&ref=ar

Strangely one of the first signs the wheels were falling off the team was the frequent times the D shit the bed in the 4th Q. That's one thing I can't really blame Nagy for. Maybe you can say the offensive ineptitude the previous 3 quarters in games caused the D to be gassed, but they still had leads in the 4th they pissed away.

If you got rid of Pace, I'd be curious what Nagy would do with another year. It has to be better than four wins. But I wouldn't keep Fields as QB.

I'm not sure if you participated in, or know/care about, the W/L debate on the board for MLB pitchers. One side maintains that W/L is meaningless because Ws for pitchers often rely on run support, so the thinking is a lack of run support in a game you're on record for losing essentially makes that "L" meaningless. After all, how can you blame a pitcher for losing a 1-0 game. The opposing side says no, you're indeed a loser because all you had to do was meet or beat the performance of your counterpart. Your counterpart gave up 0 runs and you gave up 1 run, so therefore you deserve the loss and moreover that L does indeed mean something about your performance and quality as a pitcher.

I think your view on the defense "pissing away" leads puts you firmly in the pro-W/L camp, meaning you'd probably also blame a pitcher for losing a 1-0 decision after, say, he gives up a walk-off HR in the 9th inning. I'm in the other camp - I don't blame the pitcher for the 1-0 loss and I would hesitate for blaming the defense for giving up leads/TDs. For me, the "run support/offensive production" matters. Here's an extreme example, but if the Bears are up 3-0 late in the 4th quarter and then give up a TD with no time remaining...that sucks, yes. But I'm not framing the loss as the Bears D failing to hold a lead, even though that's factually true. I think it's analytically incorrect because it implies that the Bears should have held the opposing team scoreless, an almost impossible standard. Just like it's unreasonable to blame the pitcher for the loss after he gave up a single run. For me, it's about holding the D to a reasonable standard going into the game, a standard that allows for points given up to the other team. Offenses are going to score, the rules are designed to make scoring easier than it's ever been. Hopefully your offense pulls their own weight if you do the same on your end.

Not really equivalent. If the starting pitcher (defense) is out there in the 9th inning (late 4th Quarter) with a lead and he blows it, he lost the game. I doesn't matter if the score was 11-10 or 1-0 going into the 9th, he had a chance to win it and he didn't. That's what great pitchers/defenses do. If you want to say if he lost because of unearned runs or something out of his control and doesn't deserve blame, I won't argue with that, but if he gives up a walk-off home run then he lost the game. If the defense holds someone but then some goof celebrates a sack a little too much and gets a 15 yarder, sure, they're off the hook, but that didn't happen.

Yeah, you don’t get to peace out at crunch time because you were good (or bad) for the first 52 minutes of the game.

But crunch time circumstances in the scenarios we're talking about are because of the lack of run support/offensive production. If the other half of the team did it's job there's no crunch time, it's cruise control time. A pitcher who gives up the GW homer to lose 1-0 after pitching 8 innings of shutout ball is the player of the game in my book. He didn't peace out. I can tell you who did peace out though...

Pep Hamilton?

Indianapolis Colts (2013–2015) -Andrew Luck
Offensive coordinator

Los Angeles Chargers (2020) -Justin Herbert
Quarterbacks coach

Houston Texans (2021–present)
Passing game coordinator & quarterbacks coach

Davis Mills improving the 2nd half of the season.

Last week against the Jags:

19/30 209 7.0 AVG 2 TD 1 INT 92.2 RTG

This week against Chargers:

21/27 254 9.4 AVG 2 TD 0 INT 130.6 RTG

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

In retrospect, I'd say the beginning of the end for Nagy came in the 2019 preseason, when Nagy was actively hiding (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky by refusing to play him more than a few snaps in any of the exhibition games. Moon Mullin was one of the few reporters who sensed anything was off and was widely ridiculed for his opinion. It is now clear that Nagy knew his offense wasn't working with Trubisky--and that he couldn't find a solution to its malfunctioning due to his rigid, dogmatic approach to football.

Still not fired