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If you had a car worth $1, would it be worth it to get comprehensive coverage over liability coverage?


No it would not.

Why not?


Because the premium that you have to pay in the event you file a claim is greater than the value of the car. That's why. It makes no sense to get full coverage with this being the case. Purchase liability and keep it moving.


So you would correctly choose not to pay for the option of having comprehensive insurance. :lol:


Yeah and have. I had to make that very decision a few years ago. No way would I get full coverage. At the time I didn't think that insurance companies even offered it for cars that old :lol: :lol:


I'm not sure anyone other then JORR's partner would offer a loan on a 1999 Toyota. :lol:

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I'm having a hard time knowing for sure, but it seems like you guys think the only reason to have comprehensive insurance is to replace the value of your own car in the case of an accident you cause.

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I'm having a hard time knowing for sure, but it seems like you guys think the only reason to have comprehensive insurance is to replace the value of your own car in the case of an accident you cause.


You misspoke again Brick.

Comprehensive covers me know matter who is at fault.

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I'm having a hard time knowing for sure, but it seems like you guys think the only reason to have comprehensive insurance is to replace the value of your own car in the case of an accident you cause.


You misspoke again Brick.

Comprehensive covers me know matter who is at fault.

You may want to read up on that and get back to me. Illinois is an at fault state.

But you now seem to also realize that your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage.

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The state of IL requires liability insurance.

It doesn't require full coverage unless you have a loan out on the vehicle.
This is not true. I have a small loan out on my current car and only have liability.

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Brick wrote:
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I'm having a hard time knowing for sure, but it seems like you guys think the only reason to have comprehensive insurance is to replace the value of your own car in the case of an accident you cause.


You misspoke again Brick.

Comprehensive covers me know matter who is at fault.

You may want to read up on that and get back to me. Illinois is an at fault state.

But you now seem to also realize that your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage.


Thanks for offering Brick, but just because insurance is required, doesn't mean everyone carries it. :lol:

So it doesn't matter what IL is if people drive without insurance. :wink:

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I'm having a hard time knowing for sure, but it seems like you guys think the only reason to have comprehensive insurance is to replace the value of your own car in the case of an accident you cause.


You misspoke again Brick.

Comprehensive covers me know matter who is at fault.

You may want to read up on that and get back to me. Illinois is an at fault state.

But you now seem to also realize that your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage.


Thanks for offering Brick, but just because insurance is required, doesn't mean everyone carries it. :lol:

So it doesn't matter what IL is if people drive without insurance. :wink:
"Comprehensive covers me no matter who is at fault" is undeniably false in Illinois. The other womans insurance will cover you if the other woman is at fault.

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I'm having a hard time knowing for sure, but it seems like you guys think the only reason to have comprehensive insurance is to replace the value of your own car in the case of an accident you cause.


You misspoke again Brick.

Comprehensive covers me know matter who is at fault.

You may want to read up on that and get back to me. Illinois is an at fault state.

But you now seem to also realize that your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage.

Not true.
https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-cost-o ... investment
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For some drivers, it may be more economical to pay for a newer car out of pocket than it would be to commit to higher future insurance premiums after an accident.

Between 10 and 15 years after a vehicle's model year, full coverage is a poor investment. While the cost of full coverage by itself likely won't be more than what a car is worth, the cost of insurance is more likely to be higher than the value of the car after an accident. The cost of insuring a 15-year-old car after an accident represents 105% of the car's value, on average.


As one's car ages, it becomes increasingly difficult to justify paying for full coverage. A driver would pay higher premiums for full coverage only to be unable to use their insurance to fully cover the cost to replace their car if it were totaled. After two decades, the cost of full coverage car insurance would equal 141% of a vehicle's value. After 25 years, ValuePenguin estimates that the cost of full coverage insurance would be 188% of the car's value.

Benefits of switching to minimum coverage insurance
It's financially smart to keep car insurance that includes comprehensive and collision coverages on vehicles that are younger than a decade. The cost of insuring a 5-year-old car equates to 27% of the car's value.

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I'm having a hard time knowing for sure, but it seems like you guys think the only reason to have comprehensive insurance is to replace the value of your own car in the case of an accident you cause.


You misspoke again Brick.

Comprehensive covers me know matter who is at fault.

You may want to read up on that and get back to me. Illinois is an at fault state.

But you now seem to also realize that your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage.

Not true.
https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-cost-o ... investment

That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.

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That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.
And I have already "taken the chance" by the way. So for me your point is moot.

People base the decision as to whether to obtain full coverage or not on the value of their car. Not whether they will be injured in an accident that they themselves cause.

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That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.

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Brick wrote:
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That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.


Brick yes it is. I have already made the call on that. So do most people. People (other than you apparently) do not base the decision to obtain full coverage on whether or not they MAY be Injured in an automobile accident. They base it upon the value of the car.

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That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.


Brick yes it is. I have already made the call on that. So do most people. People (other than you apparently) do not base the decision to obtain full coverage on whether or not they MAY be Injured in an automobile accident. They base it upon the value of the car.
I would say that it would be a poor choice to not consider your financial protection in the case of an accident you cause resulting in your injury but at least you now have acknowledged that the cost of the car to be replaced is not the only factor in getting comprehensive insurance over liability.

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Brick wrote:
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That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.



Seriously Brick, that is what liability insurance is for.

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The Missing Link wrote:
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That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.


Brick yes it is. I have already made the call on that. So do most people. People (other than you apparently) do not base the decision to obtain full coverage on whether or not they MAY be Injured in an automobile accident. They base it upon the value of the car.


Correct.

Liability covers medical and it says so on my State Farm insurance card.

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Brick wrote:
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Brick wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Brick wrote:
That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.


Brick yes it is. I have already made the call on that. So do most people. People (other than you apparently) do not base the decision to obtain full coverage on whether or not they MAY be Injured in an automobile accident. They base it upon the value of the car.
I would say that it would be a poor choice to not consider your financial protection in the case of an accident you cause resulting in your injury but at least you now have acknowledged that the cost of the car to be replaced is not the only factor in getting comprehensive insurance over liability.


How is it possible (other than in the land of Brick) to obtain that answer from this particular question?
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What is liability coverage?

Liability coverage pays for property damage and/or injuries to another person caused by an accident in which you're at fault. This coverage is required by most states to legally drive your vehicle.

Liability coverage is broken down into 2 parts: property damage and bodily injury.

Property damage coverage pays for damage to another person's property
Bodily injury coverage provides payment for others injured in an accident

What does liability coverage not cover for an auto accident?

Liability coverage helps cover damages you're responsible for to another party because of an accident. That means it doesn't cover damages to your property or your injuries.
https://www.geico.com/information/about ... insurance/

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for some reason, Michigan's car insurance costs 2x+ per year what Illinois drivers pay and 3x Ohio or Indiana rates.


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for some reason, Michigan's car insurance costs 2x+ per year what Illinois drivers pay and 3x Ohio or Indiana rates.


I wonder why it's so much higher there

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That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.



Seriously Brick, that is what liability insurance is for.
Liability insurance does not cover your own injuries. Liability is injuries and property damage to the other car only.

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Brick wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Brick wrote:
That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.


Brick yes it is. I have already made the call on that. So do most people. People (other than you apparently) do not base the decision to obtain full coverage on whether or not they MAY be Injured in an automobile accident. They base it upon the value of the car.


Correct.

Liability covers medical and it says so on my State Farm insurance card.

I would call your agent today to make sure you are reading it right then.
https://www.statefarm.com/insurance/auto/coverage-options/liability-coverage
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If you're responsible for an accident, your liability coverage won't pay to repair your vehicle, nor for injuries that you personally sustained. You’ll need separate coverages for these exposures, including collision coverage, comprehensive coverage, and medical payments coverage.

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Brick wrote:
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Brick wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Brick wrote:
That ignores the chance you take if you get injured in an accident you cause.


But now you are simply compounding one hypothetical with another. Most people with older cars do not obtain full coverage insurance.

There isn't a hypothetical here.

Your own car value isn't the reason to get or not get comprehensive coverage. Avoiding serious and costly medical bills if you are also injured in the accident is.


Brick yes it is. I have already made the call on that. So do most people. People (other than you apparently) do not base the decision to obtain full coverage on whether or not they MAY be Injured in an automobile accident. They base it upon the value of the car.


Correct.

Liability covers medical and it says so on my State Farm insurance card.

I would call your agent today to make sure you are reading it right then.
https://www.statefarm.com/insurance/auto/coverage-options/liability-coverage
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What car liability insurance doesn’t cover
If you're responsible for an accident, your liability coverage won't pay to repair your vehicle, nor for injuries that you personally sustained. You’ll need separate coverages for these exposures, including collision coverage, comprehensive coverage, and medical payments coverage.


My liability includes:
under insured
Uninsured

As well as being required to pay for our family insurance.

And the most expensive option is my collision. By far

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for some reason, Michigan's car insurance costs 2x+ per year what Illinois drivers pay and 3x Ohio or Indiana rates.


I'm not sure this is accurate any more. The state made some changes and our costs dropped by about 30% a couple of years ago. We are no longer a No-Fault state, as I understand. Insurance is still way too damn high.


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My liability includes:
under insured
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As well as being required to pay for our family insurance.

And the most expensive option is my collision. By far
You pay for underinsured and uninsured as an add on to your liability coverage. https://www.statefarm.com/insurance/auto/coverage-options/uninsured-and-underinsured-coverage

Once again, State Farm liability coverage doesn't include injuries to you. You pay for coverage above and beyond liability such as you now saying you pay for collision coverage.

I love being told I am wrong and then it turns out I'm not wrong. It's even better than simply always being right.

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Brick wrote:
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My liability includes:
under insured
Uninsured

As well as being required to pay for our family insurance.

And the most expensive option is my collision. By far
You pay for underinsured and uninsured as an add on to your liability coverage. https://www.statefarm.com/insurance/auto/coverage-options/uninsured-and-underinsured-coverage

Once again, State Farm liability coverage doesn't include injuries to you. You pay for coverage above and beyond liability such as you now saying you pay for collision coverage.

I love being told I am wrong and then it turns out I'm not wrong. It's even better than simply always being right.
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It's a good thing Darkside started this thread. Hopefully Seacrest learned something. Maybe tomorrow somebody else can start a thread and explain satire to him.

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Brick wrote:
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My liability includes:
under insured
Uninsured

As well as being required to pay for our family insurance.

And the most expensive option is my collision. By far
You pay for underinsured and uninsured as an add on to your liability coverage. https://www.statefarm.com/insurance/auto/coverage-options/uninsured-and-underinsured-coverage

Once again, State Farm liability coverage doesn't include injuries to you. You pay for coverage above and beyond liability such as you now saying you pay for collision coverage.

I love being told I am wrong and then it turns out I'm not wrong. It's even better than simply always being right.


:lol:

I never once said I only pay for liability.

I pay for 7 other options besides liability.

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Brick wrote:
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My liability includes:
under insured
Uninsured

As well as being required to pay for our family insurance.

And the most expensive option is my collision. By far
You pay for underinsured and uninsured as an add on to your liability coverage. https://www.statefarm.com/insurance/auto/coverage-options/uninsured-and-underinsured-coverage

Once again, State Farm liability coverage doesn't include injuries to you. You pay for coverage above and beyond liability such as you now saying you pay for collision coverage.

I love being told I am wrong and then it turns out I'm not wrong. It's even better than simply always being right.


:lol:

I never once said I only pay for liability.

I pay for 7 other options besides liability.

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Liability covers medical and it says so on my State Farm insurance card.

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for some reason, Michigan's car insurance costs 2x+ per year what Illinois drivers pay and 3x Ohio or Indiana rates.


I'm not sure this is accurate any more. The state made some changes and our costs dropped by about 30% a couple of years ago. We are no longer a No-Fault state, as I understand. Insurance is still way too damn high.



I dunno, this chart says 2021: https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/states/

Michigan $948
Illinois $442
Indiana $367
Ohio $328

maybe it was 30 percent higher than than that number before the 2020 changes that allow folks to opt out of "unlimited lifetime medical benefits" (depending on other insurance etc). I think Michigan previously was the most expensive auto insurance in the country, now it's like 3rd or 4th most expensive. Still doesn't add up. Michigan's not a pass-thru state for trucking like Ohio/Indiana/Illinois. Shouldn't have as many pay outs for major accidents as those states.


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pizza_Place: Pasaro's, St. Joe, MI.
Hussra wrote:
I dunno, this chart says 2021: https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/states/

Michigan $948
Illinois $442
Indiana $367
Ohio $328

maybe it was 30 percent higher than than that number before the 2020 changes that allow folks to opt out of "unlimited lifetime medical benefits" (depending on other insurance etc). I think Michigan previously was the most expensive auto insurance in the country, now it's like 3rd or 4th most expensive. Still doesn't add up. Michigan's not a pass-thru state for trucking like Ohio/Indiana/Illinois. Shouldn't have as many pay outs for major accidents as those states.


Well, it for sure is still too high. I do pay about $1800 every six months, but that is for four vee-hickles, two with full coverage and two the bare minimum. I'll let the others debate which part includes the other part or not. I shop our policy every few years and am fairly certain it is as low as I can get it and still feel reasonably protected. We are okay not having new vehicles and the insurance savings helps comfort driving old stuff.

Looking into the future for retirement planning, the majority of our future expenses will be complete losses like insurance and taxes; nearly nothing ever comes back for those dollars spent.


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