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Expansion?

Or my pie in the sky theory?


I doubt your pie in the sky theory and I think expansion would kill the two weekends I mentioned.

Expansion is inevitable IMO

I don’t think you’ll have to worry about the weekends you and I love because I’m sure the conference championships will still be very consequential to the playoff format.

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Expansion?

Or my pie in the sky theory?


I doubt your pie in the sky theory and I think expansion would kill the two weekends I mentioned.

Expansion is inevitable IMO

I don’t think you’ll have to worry about the weekends you and I love because I’m sure the conference championships will still be very consequential to the playoff format.


Losing during those two weeks and being completely ejected from the playoffs is not the same as falling from the 3rd seed to the 6th seed in a playoff bracket. Expansion will kill most of the drama from those weekends.


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Well I think you’re referring more to the consequences of a 16 team playoff format.

Which are valid concerns I agree with.

8 teams would be a good starting point IMO.

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It’s college football, they won’t stop adding teams.


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just like every other year, there really are only two teams that are championship level

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just like every other year, there really are only two teams that are championship level

Probably only one.

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Warren Newson wrote:
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Expansion?

Or my pie in the sky theory?


I doubt your pie in the sky theory and I think expansion would kill the two weekends I mentioned.

Expansion is inevitable IMO

I don’t think you’ll have to worry about the weekends you and I love because I’m sure the conference championships will still be very consequential to the playoff format.


Losing during those two weeks and being completely ejected from the playoffs is not the same as falling from the 3rd seed to the 6th seed in a playoff bracket. Expansion will kill most of the drama from every college football weekend.


FTFY, it's a simply formula, the bigger your postseason, the more irrelevant your regular season is. College basketball is the perfect example, there are exactly zero important regular season college basketball games.


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good dolphin wrote:
just like every other year, there really are only two teams that are championship level

I think that's a relatively recent thing, though. It seemed like it started to shift about ten years ago. Even Missouri, Utah, and Kansas had teams that could have conceivably beat the team that won the championship not too long ago.

Today, no way. The # 3 team is usually so far behind the first two.

Saban's a great GM who gets the best players and the best assistant coaches. He's John Wooden, almost. It's not killing the sport, but goddamn it, it's a little less fun knowing Bama is going to win every year.

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Expansion?

Or my pie in the sky theory?


I doubt your pie in the sky theory and I think expansion would kill the two weekends I mentioned.

Expansion is inevitable IMO

I don’t think you’ll have to worry about the weekends you and I love because I’m sure the conference championships will still be very consequential to the playoff format.


Losing during those two weeks and being completely ejected from the playoffs is not the same as falling from the 3rd seed to the 6th seed in a playoff bracket. Expansion will kill most of the drama from every college football weekend.


FTFY, it's a simply formula, the bigger your postseason, the more irrelevant your regular season is. College basketball is the perfect example, there are exactly zero important regular season college basketball games.


I think you're right about a larger post season equalling a more irrelevant regular season, but for some reason, I have a higher tolerance for irrelevancy in college basketball than I do in college football. It's a lot easier to pick up and watch a random college football game than it is a college basketball game. In order to appreciate college basketball, I feel like I have to pick one team and watch them regularly. Therefore, I end up watching a lot of irrelevant college basketball games.


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i think 60 teams makes it worthless, but 6-12 it doesn't much. I think it makes seasons matter much more to many other teams.

There is no preseason, and teams that get off to a slow start basically are done 3 weeks in when they are 1-2. A few years back USC looked like one of the best teams in the nation. but it had 3 early losses and basically had no shot.

And that can solve this goliath problem too. kids want to go where they have a shot at the championship. its why the CFP perennials (Bama/GA/OU/OSU/Clemson) received over half the 5 star athletes and 100+ other teams fought for what was left. expanding dilutes that base IMO. the transfer portal has a little bit but its more affected depth than anything. during BCS era teams like Florida, FSU, USC had 5 star 4th/5th string QB's. and depth charts that were unbelievable.


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Whatever “a shot” is, Cincinnati and Michigan showed they didn’t have it in the playoffs, so I doubt adding more teams really moves the needle for recruits.


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i think 60 teams makes it worthless, but 6-12 it doesn't much. I think it makes seasons matter much more to many other teams.

There is no preseason, and teams that get off to a slow start basically are done 3 weeks in when they are 1-2. A few years back USC looked like one of the best teams in the nation. but it had 3 early losses and basically had no shot.

And that can solve this goliath problem too. kids want to go where they have a shot at the championship. its why the CFP perennials (Bama/GA/OU/OSU/Clemson) received over half the 5 star athletes and 100+ other teams fought for what was left. expanding dilutes that base IMO. the transfer portal has a little bit but its more affected depth than anything. during BCS era teams like Florida, FSU, USC had 5 star 4th/5th string QB's. and depth charts that were unbelievable.

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It’ll take a few years to manifest, and a few losses by Georgia and Alabama.

… But it is something I think could be really beneficial for college football.

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Whatever “a shot” is, Cincinnati and Michigan showed they didn’t have it in the playoffs, so I doubt adding more teams really moves the needle for recruits.


You would think that Friday would've ended any discussion about expansion. Until USC becomes relevant again.

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Expansion is going to be great, LSU and USC are about to be powerhouses again.

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No doubt USC will be good immediately and great within 4 years, which will also coincide with the end of Alabama dominance when Saban retires

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I'm not much into College football or Basketball, but I'm curious on how anyone thinks something is going to make the playoff bracket more competitive. If anything, more playoff teams just waters down the talent and you'll set the powerhouses dominate ever futher.

Whenever NIck Saban retires.... new powerhouse will take over. Rinse and repeat.

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Expansion is going to be great, LSU and USC are about to be powerhouses again.

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i think 60 teams makes it worthless, but 6-12 it doesn't much. I think it makes seasons matter much more to many other teams.

There is no preseason, and teams that get off to a slow start basically are done 3 weeks in when they are 1-2. A few years back USC looked like one of the best teams in the nation. but it had 3 early losses and basically had no shot.

And that can solve this goliath problem too. kids want to go where they have a shot at the championship. its why the CFP perennials (Bama/GA/OU/OSU/Clemson) received over half the 5 star athletes and 100+ other teams fought for what was left. expanding dilutes that base IMO. the transfer portal has a little bit but its more affected depth than anything. during BCS era teams like Florida, FSU, USC had 5 star 4th/5th string QB's. and depth charts that were unbelievable.


I don't think that a six team playoff makes the regular season worthless, but each team that you add to the post season incrementally devalues the post season. Your point about USC a few years back having three losses and having no shot is the pinnacle of valuing the regular season. Before the playoff, you lost one game, and there was a very good chance your shot at the national title was gone, each week, whether you played Ohio State, Oregon State, or Valdosta State was of utmost importance.

I'll just go back to college basketball. Although unlikely, it is possible for a team to have zero wins during the college basketball regular season, and yet win the national title. That's a regular season that is just tremendously unimportant.


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I'm not much into College football or Basketball, but I'm curious on how anyone thinks something is going to make the playoff bracket more competitive. If anything, more playoff teams just waters down the talent and you'll set the powerhouses dominate ever futher.

Whenever NIck Saban retires.... new powerhouse will take over. Rinse and repeat.

One major argument among coaches goes like this: A guaranteed conference spot in a playoff makes conferences not in the South or on the coasts more attractive (or less unattractive). Also, by playing in a playoff, those schools will have more free exposure.

Not sure if it will bring parity. But college football once had it, and that time was not that long ago.

An expanded playoff might help the PAC-12. They have not had great teams lately, but sometimes teams other than USC are sometimes overlooked. (Utah was one year, though it was before they were in the PAC-12.)

Demographic and cultural reasons (everyone wants to play somewhere warm, which was not the case, in intent or effect, not long ago) also play into this.

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Whatever “a shot” is, Cincinnati and Michigan showed they didn’t have it in the playoffs, so I doubt adding more teams really moves the needle for recruits.


You would think that Friday would've ended any discussion about expansion. Until USC becomes relevant again.

Yeah, if it solves anything, that solution is gonna be a work in progress.

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i think 60 teams makes it worthless, but 6-12 it doesn't much. I think it makes seasons matter much more to many other teams.

There is no preseason, and teams that get off to a slow start basically are done 3 weeks in when they are 1-2. A few years back USC looked like one of the best teams in the nation. but it had 3 early losses and basically had no shot.

And that can solve this goliath problem too. kids want to go where they have a shot at the championship. its why the CFP perennials (Bama/GA/OU/OSU/Clemson) received over half the 5 star athletes and 100+ other teams fought for what was left. expanding dilutes that base IMO. the transfer portal has a little bit but its more affected depth than anything. during BCS era teams like Florida, FSU, USC had 5 star 4th/5th string QB's. and depth charts that were unbelievable.


I don't think that a six team playoff makes the regular season worthless, but each team that you add to the post season incrementally devalues the post season. Your point about USC a few years back having three losses and having no shot is the pinnacle of valuing the regular season. Before the playoff, you lost one game, and there was a very good chance your shot at the national title was gone, each week, whether you played Ohio State, Oregon State, or Valdosta State was of utmost importance.

I'll just go back to college basketball. Although unlikely, it is possible for a team to have zero wins during the college basketball regular season, and yet win the national title. That's a regular season that is just tremendously unimportant.

Right now there are two college basketball regular season games I remotely care about, Duke and Carolina. I now don't care about the bowl games. Expanding the playoffs will marginalize more of the regular season. And frankly it's becoming much easier to write off sports.

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If you are a college basketball fan there are a lot of really good regular season games.

Most people aren't fans of college basketball though. They are fans of creating a bracket and hoping for a 4/13 upset in the first round of the NCAA tournament which is fine. I love the tournament too but I also like the Maui Invitational and watching MSU/Michigan and Purdue/Indiana.

The casual sports fan ignores college basketball until the NFL is mostly done. The sport gets a lot more popular the day after the NFL conference title games.

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