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I’ve got not problem with saying Lovie was a good coach.. but I also have no problem agreeing that 3 playoff appearances in 9 years isn’t good enough. Lovie bought himself some extra leverage coaching them to an SB within his 1st few years but honestly I always felt the Bears kept him around too long. He went 3 years after that SB without a playoff appearance before coaching the team to another playoff appearance. He’s a classic example of a coach having the game pass him by.


But yeah, Lovie was ok

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Lovie was a very good coach for the Bears. If you said the next coach, whoever it is, would have identical production, I'd take it.


In four of Lovie's nine seasons with the Bears, the team was 8-8 or worse. He won a total of three playoff games during his tenure. That's good enough for you?
I don't really think his first season you can hold against him.

3 division titles including a Super Bowl over 9 years would be considered a pretty good run by all but a handful of teams in the NFL. For another handful of teams, that kind of run would their best in franchise history and/or the Super Bowl era.

Including a Super Bowl?

:lol: Thats amusing

Did you really now know what he meant by that?

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I don't disagree with your conclusion. I thought that he was a solid coach, but it was probably time for him to go. I didn't believe that at the time.
He was a great coach but it was a combination of Cutler being a coach killer and the league passing him and his defense by.


He was a great proponent of the Cover 2 defense and an effective personnel manager. Once the league adjusted to his defense, the team steadily declined because he lacked the football acumen to revise his defensive philosophy and lead the development of a successful offense.

He’s doing well in Houston this year with a defense that consists of almost zero NFL caliber players

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Lovie was a very good coach for the Bears. If you said the next coach, whoever it is, would have identical production, I'd take it.


In four of Lovie's nine seasons with the Bears, the team was 8-8 or worse. He won a total of three playoff games during his tenure. That's good enough for you?
I don't really think his first season you can hold against him.

3 division titles including a Super Bowl over 9 years would be considered a pretty good run by all but a handful of teams in the NFL. For another handful of teams, that kind of run would their best in franchise history and/or the Super Bowl era.

Including a Super Bowl?

:lol: Thats amusing

Did you really now know what he meant by that?

Of course I know what he meant, hence why I said its amusing.

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I don't disagree with your conclusion. I thought that he was a solid coach, but it was probably time for him to go. I didn't believe that at the time.
He was a great coach but it was a combination of Cutler being a coach killer and the league passing him and his defense by.


He was a great proponent of the Cover 2 defense and an effective personnel manager. Once the league adjusted to his defense, the team steadily declined because he lacked the football acumen to revise his defensive philosophy and lead the development of a successful offense.

He’s doing well in Houston this year with a defense that consists of almost zero NFL caliber players


Great, I'm talking about his tenure with the Bears. Thanks for the irrelevant detail, though.

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I’ve got not problem with saying Lovie was a good coach.. but I also have no problem agreeing that 3 playoff appearances in 9 years isn’t good enough. Lovie bought himself some extra leverage coaching them to an SB within his 1st few years but honestly I always felt the Bears kept him around too long. He went 3 years after that SB without a playoff appearance before coaching the team to another playoff appearance. He’s a classic example of a coach having the game pass him by.


But yeah, Lovie was ok


He was very good during his first three years with the Bears and so-so for the remaining six years. All things considered, he was a slightly above average coach with the Bears.

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I don't disagree with your conclusion. I thought that he was a solid coach, but it was probably time for him to go. I didn't believe that at the time.
He was a great coach but it was a combination of Cutler being a coach killer and the league passing him and his defense by.


He was a great proponent of the Cover 2 defense and an effective personnel manager. Once the league adjusted to his defense, the team steadily declined because he lacked the football acumen to revise his defensive philosophy and lead the development of a successful offense.

He’s doing well in Houston this year with a defense that consists of almost zero NFL caliber players


Great, I'm talking about his tenure with the Bears. Thanks for the irrelevant detail, though.

Are we not talking about his coaching ability?

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I don't disagree with your conclusion. I thought that he was a solid coach, but it was probably time for him to go. I didn't believe that at the time.
He was a great coach but it was a combination of Cutler being a coach killer and the league passing him and his defense by.


He was a great proponent of the Cover 2 defense and an effective personnel manager. Once the league adjusted to his defense, the team steadily declined because he lacked the football acumen to revise his defensive philosophy and lead the development of a successful offense.

He’s doing well in Houston this year with a defense that consists of almost zero NFL caliber players


Great, I'm talking about his tenure with the Bears. Thanks for the irrelevant detail, though.

Are we not talking about his coaching ability?


Have you actually been reading this thread? The discussion concerns his performance with the Bears, not what he is doing with the Texans ten years after he coached for the Bears.

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I’ve got not problem with saying Lovie was a good coach.. but I also have no problem agreeing that 3 playoff appearances in 9 years isn’t good enough. Lovie bought himself some extra leverage coaching them to an SB within his 1st few years but honestly I always felt the Bears kept him around too long. He went 3 years after that SB without a playoff appearance before coaching the team to another playoff appearance. He’s a classic example of a coach having the game pass him by.


But yeah, Lovie was ok


He was very good during his first three years with the Bears and so-so for the remaining six years. All things considered, he was a slightly above average coach with the Bears.




Yep. His 1st 3 years bought him time, there’s no doubt. Honestly he probably should have been moved on from 3 years after that SB where he couldn’t get them to the playoffs and it was clear his methods were past their expiration date.


It’s also worth noting that his record post SB against teams that were .500 or better is incredibly bad.

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I’ve got not problem with saying Lovie was a good coach.. but I also have no problem agreeing that 3 playoff appearances in 9 years isn’t good enough. Lovie bought himself some extra leverage coaching them to an SB within his 1st few years but honestly I always felt the Bears kept him around too long. He went 3 years after that SB without a playoff appearance before coaching the team to another playoff appearance. He’s a classic example of a coach having the game pass him by.


But yeah, Lovie was ok


He was very good during his first three years with the Bears and so-so for the remaining six years. All things considered, he was a slightly above average coach with the Bears.




Yep. His 1st 3 years bought him time, there’s no doubt. Honestly he probably should have been moved on from 3 years after that SB where he couldn’t get them to the playoffs and it was clear his methods were past their expiration date.


It’s also worth noting that his record post SB against teams that were .500 or better is incredibly bad.



His record against teams over .500 was always abysmal, he was fortunate Farve and the Pack were weak, as soon as Rodgers took over they dominated the division. It was a terrible division for a long time..it still is. The more power Lovie got the worse the team became, Rivera was fired for yelling at lovie at halftime of the SB over his stubborness.

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Have you actually been reading this thread? The discussion concerns his performance with the Bears, not what he is doing with the Texans ten years after he coached for the Bears.

I have been reading the thread. We are discussing his coaching ability. Try to keep up.

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Look at what Lovie has done for the 4-12 Texans. It's a miracle.

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If Lovie was there before, his kind fatherly aura would have kept DeShaun from being creepy with masseuses and he'd still be playing and their record would be better.


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Have you actually been reading this thread? The discussion concerns his performance with the Bears, not what he is doing with the Texans ten years after he coached for the Bears.

I have been reading the thread. We are discussing his coaching ability. Try to keep up.


That's simply wrong. But go ahead and thrill us with your knowledge of the 2021 Houston Texans and their miraculous #18 DVOA ranking. I'm sure you've been watching all of their games.

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If Lovie was there before, his kind fatherly aura would have kept DeShaun from being creepy with masseuses and he'd still be playing and their record would be better.



Yeah..probably right.. his son Matt Smith was arrested by the feds for pimping.

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If Lovie was there before, his kind fatherly aura would have kept DeShaun from being creepy with masseuses and he'd still be playing and their record would be better.



Yeah..probably right.. his son Matt Smith was arrested by the feds for pimping.


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Have you actually been reading this thread? The discussion concerns his performance with the Bears, not what he is doing with the Texans ten years after he coached for the Bears.

I have been reading the thread. We are discussing his coaching ability. Try to keep up.


That's simply wrong. But go ahead and thrill us with your knowledge of the 2021 Houston Texans and their miraculous #18 DVOA ranking. I'm sure you've been watching all of their games.

You're making my point for me. A middle of the pack defense is pretty good considering you can't name a defensive player on their team without Google.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Have you actually been reading this thread? The discussion concerns his performance with the Bears, not what he is doing with the Texans ten years after he coached for the Bears.

I have been reading the thread. We are discussing his coaching ability. Try to keep up.


That's simply wrong. But go ahead and thrill us with your knowledge of the 2021 Houston Texans and their miraculous #18 DVOA ranking. I'm sure you've been watching all of their games.

You're making my point for me. A middle of the pack defense is pretty good considering you can't name a defensive player on their team without Google.


Are you really as dense as you appear to be in this thread? First you chime in like a drunk Cliff Clavin with an irrelevant point about the Houston Texans. Now you're arguing that a defense's lack of well-known players means they are also not "NFL caliber". I don't know which is more egregious: your inability to grasp context or your flawed reasoning.

Let's call it a tie.

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FF and Cliff Clavin. :lol: I like it!
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Have you actually been reading this thread? The discussion concerns his performance with the Bears, not what he is doing with the Texans ten years after he coached for the Bears.

I have been reading the thread. We are discussing his coaching ability. Try to keep up.


That's simply wrong. But go ahead and thrill us with your knowledge of the 2021 Houston Texans and their miraculous #18 DVOA ranking. I'm sure you've been watching all of their games.

You're making my point for me. A middle of the pack defense is pretty good considering you can't name a defensive player on their team without Google.


Are you really as dense as you appear to be in this thread? First you chime in like a drunk Cliff Clavin with an irrelevant point about the Houston Texans. Now you're arguing that a defense's lack of well-known players means they are also not "NFL caliber". I don't know which is more egregious: your inability to grasp context or your flawed reasoning.

Let's call it a tie.

:lol: You're quite sensitive these days

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I thought FF was drunk for bringing up the Texans during a discussion about Illinois HC Lovie Smith. I just learned Smith is actually with the Texans. Wow. Some Lovie guy I am.

I still think ff is drunk though.

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I don't disagree with your conclusion. I thought that he was a solid coach, but it was probably time for him to go. I didn't believe that at the time.
He was a great coach but it was a combination of Cutler being a coach killer and the league passing him and his defense by.


He was a great proponent of the Cover 2 defense and an effective personnel manager. Once the league adjusted to his defense, the team steadily declined because he lacked the football acumen to revise his defensive philosophy and lead the development of a successful offense.

He’s doing well in Houston this year with a defense that consists of almost zero NFL caliber players


And all the Rose Bowl's he guided the Illini to :lol: He finished with an overall record of 17–39 in five seasons at Illinois, including a 10–33 record in Big 10 conference play


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I don't disagree with your conclusion. I thought that he was a solid coach, but it was probably time for him to go. I didn't believe that at the time.
He was a great coach but it was a combination of Cutler being a coach killer and the league passing him and his defense by.


He was a great proponent of the Cover 2 defense and an effective personnel manager. Once the league adjusted to his defense, the team steadily declined because he lacked the football acumen to revise his defensive philosophy and lead the development of a successful offense.

He’s doing well in Houston this year with a defense that consists of almost zero NFL caliber players


And all the Rose Bowl's he guided the Illini to :lol: He finished with an overall record of 17–39 in five seasons at Illinois, including a 10–33 record in Big 10 conference play

I dont follow college that closely but I agree that it seems like he was a bad college coach

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Some owner is going to stupidly give Nagy a job because of how well he's conducted himself with the media and players while being fired.

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Some owner is going to stupidly give Nagy a job because of how well he's conducted himself with the media and players while being fired.


Maybe, he was brought in to lead the offense to respectability, he failed miserably. He had a freat D for 2 years, and pretty solid one the rest of his time.. the D is responsible for his wins. The offense was terrible, bottom 5 his entire tenure.

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Why would anyone assume Nagy will get another crack at a head coaching position unless he rebuilds his offensive coaching credentials?

No one is going to hire him as their head coach because his #1 attribute is that he's gonna be really nice to everybody after they decide to fire him for doing a shitty job.

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4th and short, pass. Sack.

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