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Are the Raiders really going to fire the guy that turned around a disastrous season and brought the team to the playoffs? That would be something, especially if they somehow manage to beat the Bengals.


if they beat cinci it would be tough to get rid of him. but if they rehire because they are afraid of PR issues... then they deserve a 7-10 season next year

They had a decent roster. If Gruden hadn’t called goodell a burrito in an email 10 years ago I think they realistically could’ve ended up in the same spot.


Certainly. But the season looked like it was going to be a disaster once the Gruden stuff blew up.

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Reports are Harbaugh wants more money for assistants/more assistants, Michigan to lighten up on admissions standards for transfers and a robust NIL program with support from the university and donors/alums. Beating Ohio State and winning the Big 10 title/getting into the CFP + the large number of openings in the NFL right now gives Harbaugh leverage to challenge the university President's stance against easing academic standards and not allowing the university's Athletics department to provide support to athletes pursuing NIL deals. I think at SEC schools they have programs inside the Athletics departments to facilitate NIL. Michigan athletes currently have to resort to 3rd party services for NIL pursuits. This could also just be what Michigan fans want.


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Reports are Harbaugh wants more money for assistants/more assistants, Michigan to lighten up on admissions standards for transfers and a robust NIL program with support from the university and donors/alums. Beating Ohio State and winning the Big 10 title/getting into the CFP + the large number of openings in the NFL right now gives Harbaugh leverage to challenge the university President's stance against easing academic standards and not allowing the university's Athletics department to provide support to athletes pursuing NIL deals. I think at SEC schools they have programs inside the Athletics departments to facilitate NIL. Michigan athletes currently have to resort to 3rd party services for NIL pursuits. This could also just be what Michigan fans want.

I know this for fact because Arkansas was the first school to form this.

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Reports are Harbaugh wants more money for assistants/more assistants, Michigan to lighten up on admissions standards for transfers and a robust NIL program with support from the university and donors/alums. Beating Ohio State and winning the Big 10 title/getting into the CFP + the large number of openings in the NFL right now gives Harbaugh leverage to challenge the university President's stance against easing academic standards and not allowing the university's Athletics department to provide support to athletes pursuing NIL deals. I think at SEC schools they have programs inside the Athletics departments to facilitate NIL. Michigan athletes currently have to resort to 3rd party services for NIL pursuits. This could also just be what Michigan fans want.

That's all well and good but Mel Tucker is getting $9.5 million a year and Jim Harbaugh is getting $4 million a year. He's not staying at Michigan while making so much less than Mel Tucker.

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Are the Raiders really going to fire the guy that turned around a disastrous season and brought the team to the playoffs? That would be something, especially if they somehow manage to beat the Bengals.


if they beat cinci it would be tough to get rid of him. but if they rehire because they are afraid of PR issues... then they deserve a 7-10 season next year

They had a decent roster. If Gruden hadn’t called goodell a burrito in an email 10 years ago I think they realistically could’ve ended up in the same spot.


Certainly. But the season looked like it was going to be a disaster once the Gruden stuff blew up.


Especially when the lowly Bears beat them a couple days after!

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Reports are Harbaugh wants more money for assistants/more assistants, Michigan to lighten up on admissions standards for transfers and a robust NIL program with support from the university and donors/alums. Beating Ohio State and winning the Big 10 title/getting into the CFP + the large number of openings in the NFL right now gives Harbaugh leverage to challenge the university President's stance against easing academic standards and not allowing the university's Athletics department to provide support to athletes pursuing NIL deals. I think at SEC schools they have programs inside the Athletics departments to facilitate NIL. Michigan athletes currently have to resort to 3rd party services for NIL pursuits. This could also just be what Michigan fans want.

That's all well and good but Mel Tucker is getting $9.5 million a year and Jim Harbaugh is getting $4 million a year. He's not staying at Michigan while making so much less than Mel Tucker.


That's insane. I'm not sure we've had a worse coordinator than Tucker. Maybe the OC from the Chiefs was worse.

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Reports are Harbaugh wants more money for assistants/more assistants, Michigan to lighten up on admissions standards for transfers and a robust NIL program with support from the university and donors/alums. Beating Ohio State and winning the Big 10 title/getting into the CFP + the large number of openings in the NFL right now gives Harbaugh leverage to challenge the university President's stance against easing academic standards and not allowing the university's Athletics department to provide support to athletes pursuing NIL deals. I think at SEC schools they have programs inside the Athletics departments to facilitate NIL. Michigan athletes currently have to resort to 3rd party services for NIL pursuits. This could also just be what Michigan fans want.

That's all well and good but Mel Tucker is getting $9.5 million a year and Jim Harbaugh is getting $4 million a year. He's not staying at Michigan while making so much less than Mel Tucker.


That's insane. I'm not sure we've had a worse coordinator than Tucker. Maybe the OC from the Chiefs was worse.

It's a little skewed because it's basically one MSU billionaire wasting his money by paying for it but Michigan has some billionaires too.

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I imagine Harbaugh getting new paper would be on the back end of these negotiations. Harbaugh probably first wants to know if Michigan will enable the program to attempt to compete with the SEC and tOSU or if it just wants to be the public version of Northwestern. If it's the latter case, maybe he jets for the NFL.

This Stephen Ross, the Dolphins owner, seems to have a hard-on for keeping Harbaugh at Michigan. Maybe he ponies up for another building on campus with his name on it (Stephen M Ross NIL Center or whatever) and throws in an extra $XX mil to up Harbaugh's pay over the next decade.


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The good dolphin GM search committee has reached its conclusion:

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The good dolphin GM search committee has reached its conclusion:

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i think he maybe the guy as well.

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now on to the head coach

I am starting to shy away from the DC group

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K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

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I imagine Harbaugh getting new paper would be on the back end of these negotiations. Harbaugh probably first wants to know if Michigan will enable the program to attempt to compete with the SEC and tOSU or if it just wants to be the public version of Northwestern. If it's the latter case, maybe he jets for the NFL.
I'll make this simple. If Harbaugh stays at Michigan he will not be making less than Mel Tucker.

You can't just flip a switch and be OSU and the SEC in college football. If Harbaugh wants to be promised to have the same level of commitment as Alabama to football then he should start looking for houses in Chicago and Las Vegas today.

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This Stephen Ross, the Dolphins owner, seems to have a hard-on for keeping Harbaugh at Michigan. Maybe he ponies up for another building on campus with his name on it (Stephen M Ross NIL Center or whatever) and throws in an extra $XX mil to up Harbaugh's pay over the next decade.
This is the most likely scenario where the Michigan billionaires match the MSU billionaire and Harbaugh in his "retirement job" pulls down another $100 million for his future grandkids.

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K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

Daboll or Flores are my top 2 choices.

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if Michigan will enable the program to attempt to compete with the SEC and tOSU or if it just wants to be the public version of Northwestern.


I don't think anyone expects Michigan at this point to be able to compete every year with the top SEC schools and OSU. But if they wanna have a chance to beat Ohio State and then lose to an SEC school in the CFP every 5th year or so, they'll need to implement some of these changes. Not doing so puts them at a further disadvantage than they are already at being in a state where hockey is more popular for kids to play than football.


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if Michigan will enable the program to attempt to compete with the SEC and tOSU or if it just wants to be the public version of Northwestern.
It's an empty promise though.

It's geographic reasons that Michigan isn't going to compete with the perennial national powers outside of a year like this where they happen to develop two top ten NFL draft picks and still get outclassed by the SEC teams in the playoffs.

The Raiders, after they are eliminated on Saturday, are going to offer Harbaugh $10 million a year and Michigan will have to get close to it for him to stay.

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K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

Daboll or Flores are my top 2 choices.


I've done a deep dive on Flores for some reason. Apparently he has trouble making connections with both players and coaches. People have expressed concerns about his ability to convince solid offense guys to work with him and for him given his personality issues. He churned through several coaches on offense in Miami and never created an identity on that side of the ball. It honestly sounded like Lovie's weaknesses (good on defense clueless on offense) all over again except Flores has the added disadvantage of being hard to work with and for.

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K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

Daboll or Flores are my top 2 choices.


I've done a deep dive on Flores for some reason. Apparently he has trouble making connections with both players and coaches. People have expressed concerns about his ability to convince solid offense guys to work with him and for him given his personality issues. He churned through several coaches on offense in Miami and never created an identity on that side of the ball. It honestly sounded like Lovie's weaknesses (good on defense clueless on offense) all over again except Flores has the added disadvantage of being hard to work with and for.


I haven't done a deep dive, but this was my conclusion. It's possible that he could evolve, but Belichick guys are usually pretty stubborn.

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I think the Raiders owe Gruden another 6 years salary, apparently cashed out at 40$ million? Pending litigation. And the Raiders notoriously broke-ass, the league had to up their debt limit recently. I'd be surprised if they offered Harbaugh a Gruden style deal. Especially when they have a guy coaching the team now with some success who would likely stay on mad cheap.


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K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

Daboll or Flores are my top 2 choices.


Daboll's work in Buffalo is certainly intriguing, but he seems to have a lot of one-year coaching stints on his resume. What is the reason for that? I haven't read enough about him to know.

Also, isn't his inability to devise a consistent/consistently successful running game a bit of a problem?

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I think the Raiders owe Gruden another 6 years salary, apparently cashed out at 40$ million? Pending litigation. And the Raiders notoriously broke-ass, the league had to up their debt limit recently. I'd be surprised if they offered Harbaugh a Gruden style deal. Especially when they have a guy coaching the team now with some success who would likely stay on mad cheap.

The Raiders already came to an agreement with Gruden that likely lowered that amount significantly.

The very reason they would do it is because the Raiders aren't financially responsible. I think they just think that the Vegas money will be worth it especially if they make the Super Bowl instead of having to make the playoffs on a last second field goal on the last game of the season.

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Nas wrote:
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K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

Daboll or Flores are my top 2 choices.


I've done a deep dive on Flores for some reason. Apparently he has trouble making connections with both players and coaches. People have expressed concerns about his ability to convince solid offense guys to work with him and for him given his personality issues. He churned through several coaches on offense in Miami and never created an identity on that side of the ball. It honestly sounded like Lovie's weaknesses (good on defense clueless on offense) all over again except Flores has the added disadvantage of being hard to work with and for.


I haven't done a deep dive, but this was my conclusion. It's possible that he could evolve, but Belichick guys are usually pretty stubborn.


I think we will run into something similar with any defensive trained head coach, which is why I am off the DC for HC.

I think Flores or Fangio would be an excellent get for DC with a new offensive trained HC

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

Daboll or Flores are my top 2 choices.


I've done a deep dive on Flores for some reason. Apparently he has trouble making connections with both players and coaches. People have expressed concerns about his ability to convince solid offense guys to work with him and for him given his personality issues. He churned through several coaches on offense in Miami and never created an identity on that side of the ball. It honestly sounded like Lovie's weaknesses (good on defense clueless on offense) all over again except Flores has the added disadvantage of being hard to work with and for.


I haven't done a deep dive, but this was my conclusion. It's possible that he could evolve, but Belichick guys are usually pretty stubborn.


I think we will run into something similar with any defensive trained head coach, which is why I am off the DC for HC.

I think Flores or Fangio would be an excellent get for DC with a new offensive trained HC


I agree. I prefer an offensive coach.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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K that’s done. Who’s his coach?

Daboll or Flores are my top 2 choices.


Daboll's work in Buffalo is certainly intriguing, but he seems to have a lot of one-year coaching stints on his resume. What is the reason for that? I haven't read enough about him to know.

Also, isn't his inability to devise a consistent/consistently successful running game a bit of a problem?

I don't know the reason either and that is somewhat concerning.

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I'm not totally convinced Harbaugh is out of the picture, especially if it's true that Polian has been pulling the strings for the Bears over the past several months.

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I'm not totally convinced Harbaugh is out of the picture, especially if it's true that Polian has been pulling the strings for the Bears over the past several months.


He appears to be making some moves in Michigan though.

I'm still convinced that Tanesha and Soup are sitting in a room for the Bears to make a minority hire.

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I'm not totally convinced Harbaugh is out of the picture, especially if it's true that Polian has been pulling the strings for the Bears over the past several months.

It's bizarre that Michigan, if they are keeping him, hasn't locked him up already and announced the extension.

For reference, on January 8th of last year they had already come to an agreement to cut his salary by 50% as part of an extension but for some reason they can't get it together to have already announced a new extension?

I think it's the RAIDERS if they lose this week though.

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i think he maybe the guy as well.

I don't see his tenure in Houston that special. i don't get it.

I'm still mostly interested in Dodds or Omar Khan.

Agreed, though...I think Bears will take Rick Smith or Eliot Wolf.

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i think he maybe the guy as well.

I don't see his tenure in Houston that special. i don't get it.

I'm still mostly interested in Dodds or Omar Khan.

Agreed, though...I think Bears will take Rick Smith or Eliot Wolf.

Smith lead Houston to some successful seasons and had some good draft picks in his tenure.

What is it in Dodds that separates him from Smith? I look at the same things you do and I dont see that much different.

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Rick Smith had cleaned up a pretty big mess. Built some good, but not great teams. He seemed to really struggle getting a decent QB.
Deshaun Watson drafted in 2017 which was his last draft. He left the roster in pretty good shape only to quickly spiral down the drain.

Good call. My second time around reviewing Rick Smith paints him in a much better light.

I like Dodds because his timing lines up with good years n Seattle and some good players on the Colts and I like Chris Ballard. I get the impression Dodds knows how to draft, which is what's most important.

Omar Khan has spent 20 years with a very well run Steelers front offiice. He's probably going to stay and take over once the head job is available. 20 years in Pittsburgh NOT in charge means he's been doing something right.

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