Here are my tiers. I think Stafford's tier is fair.

Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, healthy Russ, Brady, Lamar

Murray, Stafford, Ryan

Carr, Cousins, Winston, Tannehill

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With Murray and Carr having potential to ascend a tier. Everyone else is more or less stagnant developmentally

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I can't believe this is still going on.

Outside of the Packers and Bears, FF generally has very reasonable NFL takes.
Saying that 'the Rams need to win a Super Bowl to justify trading two 1st round picks for a QB who had been in the league for 12 years with 0 playoff wins' is beyond a reasonable take.

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The knock on Stafford is he is unreliable because he turns the ball over too much.

It's pretty easy to justify Herbert over Stafford. Stafford is nowhere near as good as him.

And it didn't take Lamar 13 seasons to win a playoff game.

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Jameis is as good as Carr? You're out of your mind.

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You're defeating your own argument. How many of those QB's could the Rams have conceivably gotten for two first round draft picks? Anyone on that list? Ok, so that shows why they did what they did. They weren't going to win a Super Bowl with Goff. So they found the best available QB they could get, one who played for the sorry Lions his whole career.

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I'm far from a Winston fan, but did you see how decent he was for the Saints this year?

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I think you used the right word. He was decent. Payton seemed to know it was smart to keep his role limited (less than 170 passing yards per game). He's a fringe starter though, and the league seems to agree.

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I understand why they did the trade. I just don't think it was a good idea. McVay seemed to learn in real time this year that his eval on Stafford was off.

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Derek Carr???

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What's the argument that Stafford this year was outplayed by Herbert? I'd rather have Herbert because he's in year 2 but Stafford was as good as him this year and his team was significantly better and made the playoffs.

It would if he had been drafted by the Lions.

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Brandon Staley is pretty much solely to blame for the Chargers not being in the playoffs.

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Carr has been in the league 8 years. The idea that he'll get better is nonsense. His subpar play is a big reason the Raiders lost to the Bengals.

Carr mostly sucks and is average at best, so in that respect he's in the same tier as Winston, sure.

Carr is good enough to get his team beat by a good team in the playoffs.

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of course Herbert is better than Stafford. That's not the argument. The argument is, who could the Rams have got that would be better than Stafford? Answer? No one. It's the price of the most important player on the field.

And yes, Lamar would not have guided the Lions to the playoffs any year of his career.

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The couldn't get anyone better, so whatever they gave up is fine.

I bet Ryan Pace though the same thing when trading picks for Mitch.

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I'm sometimes confused about the strawman argument. Did City of Fools just make that argument?

Stafford had just as good of a season as Herbert, and Stafford's team won far more games.

Herbert may be better some time in the future but 2021 Stafford is as good or better than 2021 Herbert.

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Seemed like it. Not sure what else he would mean by saying there was nobody better they could've traded for and that is the cost for a QB.

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Some of you are underestimating how hard it was to find a sucker to take Goff and his atrocious contract. That alone is worth a first round pick

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That's not unimportant. It's still pointless if they can't win a Super Bowl.

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Ridiculous take

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No it's not

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I don't think that's true at all. Stafford had a much better coach and a better team around him, which is why he won 3 more games than Herbert did.

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This is like the reverse Cutler. Cutler never got any of the blame and Stafford never gets any of the credit because of the belief that the Rams are some superteam that should be disappointed their quarterback only won them 12 games.

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You can't be in the top tier without a Super Bowl win:

Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Russell Wilson***


***Pending 2022 performance

Lamar, Herbert, Allen, Prescott, Burrow, Watson***

***Pending resolution of his shit

Carr, Garoppolo, Cousins, Stafford, Tannehill, Murray

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Mac Jones, Jalen Hurts, Matt Ryan, Goff

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Tua, Zach Wison, Justin Fields, Tyler Huntley

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Taylor Heinicke, Trevor Lawrence, Carson Wentz, Case Keenum

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Davis Mills, Taysom Hill, Baker Mayfield, Bridgewater, Darnold, Lock, Dalton, Lance, Love

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Everybody else

Stafford never gets any credit? Basically everyone in this thread except me and Hussra is talking about him being an MVP candidate this year. I'd say that's plenty of credit.

I'll praise him and say I was wrong when he elevates the Rams past where they were with Goff. So far that hasn't happened. Maybe it will in the next few weeks and you can enjoy me saying I was wrong.

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name me a better QB they could conceivably have traded for. This season. To try and maximize their window.

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Case in point. What teams? Please list them to pay goff that on the open market...let alone get traded for it. No horseshit word diarhea..just list the teams that would be takers please.

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