Are you saying a very good QB still needs good coaching and other teammates to succeed?

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It definitely helos. I guess Calvin Johnson wasnt good enough.

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So they made the decision to trade for a QB. Then paid an exorbitant price for a guy who's marginally better.

That sounds like what I said.

Hey maybe Stafford proves me wrong and wins a championship.

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Here is the absurd part of this whole discussion.

For Stafford to win the Super Bowl, he has to go to Tampa Bay and knock off the defending champs, and then likely go to Lambeau and beat another top 10 top ten quarterback.

So, let's say he does both of those things. He beats Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers/Jordan Love in consecutive weeks to get to the Super Bowl and the trade won't be a good one because hypothetical Jared Goff may have done the same but probably wouldn't have.

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The Rams reached the Super Bowl with Goff. If they traded 2 number 1 picks to improve on that, then yes that means winning the Super Bowl.

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So if Goff goes back to back beating Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers/Jordan Love you don't think that validates the trade assuming he plays well?

I do not think the Rams make the Super Bowl this year with Jared Goff.

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They'd also have 2 number 1 picks.

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Stafford threw as many TDs this year as Goff did his lastv2 seasons combined with the Rams.

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Yes. Stafford has always been a nice stat guy.

Time will tell if he can win.

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He also threw more interceptions and pick sixes this season than Goff ever has in a season.

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They don't have to win one this year for the trade to work out. Just at some point. I think if they get to the SB and lose and Stafford is a big reason they get there then most signs will be pointing to the trade being good for the Rams. If they win the next two games similarly to how they beat AZ then I don't know how you can say Goff couldn't have done that.

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Goff has 4 career TDs in 6 post season games.. Stafford had 3 in his first game.. yeah, im sure you could pencil in Goff for 3 tds lmao.

He also list Akers in preseason and Woods in week 5

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The flaw is that your expectation is that Goff would be performing like he did in year 3, where they went to the Super Bowl, when he had regressed significantly from that in year 4 and 5. They didn't trade Goff away because he was playing like he did in the Super Bowl year. They traded him away because he wasn't playing anything close to what he did in the Super Bowl year.

The Rams coaching staff, which you seem very high on, determined that Goff wasn't going to ever return to his type of play during his 3rd year, and weren't willing to wait for it during his 6th year so they went for a player that outperformed Goff even in the Super Bowl year.

It's like saying in year 6 of Mack in Chicago that they shouldn't be willing to move on from him because his replacement won't be an All Pro. Well, Mack isn't an All Pro either and hasn't been for a while.

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None of that is really a response to my post.

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You said "I don't know how you can say Goff couldn't have done that" and it was a direct response to that.

Goff in year 3 could have made the Super Bowl with this team but that player is gone and not coming back.

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Could current Goff have beaten AZ last week?

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It is fine response to your Goff fantasy, he had one good year like Derek Anderson or Scott Mitchell than he returned to garbage..been garbage since.

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Jared Goff would not have taken this team to the Super Bowl this year. Year 3 Goff may have.

Defenses can't key on the running game of the Rams because they have a legit threat at quarterback to beat them. Goff was also that player in year 3. He wasn't in year 4 or 5 and likely he isn't that guy in year 6.

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the only reason you'd ask this question is if you didn't watch more than a few Lions games this season. I did. I had St. Brown almost all season. The answer is clearly no, but you wouldn't know that if you didn't watch, I guess.

Unless he handed the ball off 75 percent of the time. He's worse than the Niner Jimmy.

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So your answer is no? Goff would have lost that game last week?

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Yeah, I'm sure you watched more football than I did this year.

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not likely, but I bet I watched more full Lions games.

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I don't know. I think the Cardinals feared Stafford much more than they feared Goff and their defensive game plan would have been different.

The Cardinals were a sinking ship though so they may very well have won either way.

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Considering Goff kicked the shit out of AZ with Detroit this year, and Kyler gave the game away last week, I don't think there's any case to be made that Goff would have lost that game.

Which goes back to why I asked the question. If Stafford can just ride a hot defense to the SB while throwing less than 20 passes a game, that's something Goff could have done for them also. If Stafford is the reason the Rams win the next two games, then I would agree with your original point.

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You are edging dangerously close to "Jared Goff is actually really good" now.

I will be absolutely shocked if the Rams beat TB and then the 49ers with Stafford throwing that few passes.

His low for passes in a game that wasn't a blowout is 29 passes.

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the Cardinals D was worse in that Lions game and gifted Goff two of his three touchdown passes.

I fully expect the Rams to beat the Bucs and then the Niners game will be less about the QB's than the D and run game. But Stafford can prove himself against anyone from the AFC. He'll have trouble with Buffalo should they get there.

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Not really. I'm just stating facts here. Jared Goff isn't good, but you guys act like he's Nathan Peterman and he's not. He's a capable NFL QB. It's hilarious you can't admit he would have won a game in which his defense scored 7 and the opposing team scored 11 points total.

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I said they may have won either way.

However, you have to acknowledge that the threat of Stafford passing in 2022 is far greater than the threat of Goff passing in 2022 and a defensive gameplan is going to take more chances if they have to dare Goff to beat him.

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Like the chances they took earlier this season against him when Goff smoked them? That’s fine.

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As I said, you are very close to making the argument that Goff is actually very good with posts like this.

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