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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.


but he did change it, and they finished as a top 10 defense. I think they were no worse than 17th and that was in his first year where they leapt from 27th (could be wrong on exacts and not researching).

being able to change in season is impressive and something this team lacked under nagy


It's a good sign that he successfully adjusted.

It's a bad sign that someone had to tell him the adjustment was necessary.

It's revealing that Ballard and Reich are jettisoning the remaining defensive coaching staff in Indy.


not everyone likes zone. It could just be a philosophical difference not over their ability to coach. Zone also helps to explain the completion % issue.


They liked it enough to hire Eberflus four years ago, but now they don't? Not a good sign.

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Mc Daniel liked it and Reich found it acceptable. He probably prefers something attacking and now he is working with a clean slate.

I liked Lovie's defense but I loved Fangio's.

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Mc Daniel liked it and Reich found it acceptable. He probably prefers something attacking and now he is working with a clean slate.

I liked Lovie's defense but I loved Fangio's.


Well, yeah, that's kind of the point. Eberflus's scheme isn't that great compared to others, especially Fangio's.

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Mc Daniel liked it and Reich found it acceptable. He probably prefers something attacking and now he is working with a clean slate.

I liked Lovie's defense but I loved Fangio's.


Well, yeah, that's kind of the point. Eberflus's scheme isn't that great compared to others, especially Fangio's.


but zone defenses work as well. They have flaws, such as giving up a lot of yards, especially through the air. However, they are usually pretty good at limiting points, causing turnovers and causing the opponent to use so many plays that they make a mistake.

Attacking defenses have flaws, as we saw with the play that ended the Bucs season.

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Mc Daniel liked it and Reich found it acceptable. He probably prefers something attacking and now he is working with a clean slate.

I liked Lovie's defense but I loved Fangio's.


Well, yeah, that's kind of the point. Eberflus's scheme isn't that great compared to others, especially Fangio's.


but zone defenses work as well. They have flaws, such as giving up a lot of yards, especially through the air. However, they are usually pretty good at limiting points, causing turnovers and causing the opponent to use so many plays that they make a mistake.

Attacking defenses have flaws, as we saw with the play that ended the Bucs season.


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Mc Daniel liked it and Reich found it acceptable. He probably prefers something attacking and now he is working with a clean slate.

I liked Lovie's defense but I loved Fangio's.


Well, yeah, that's kind of the point. Eberflus's scheme isn't that great compared to others, especially Fangio's.


but zone defenses work as well. They have flaws, such as giving up a lot of yards, especially through the air. However, they are usually pretty good at limiting points, causing turnovers and causing the opponent to use so many plays that they make a mistake.

Attacking defenses have flaws, as we saw with the play that ended the Bucs season.


Of course zone defenses work. Fangio plays a ton of zone. But his defenses are way more flexible and deceptive than anything I've observed from Tampa 2 disciples. I guess we'll have to see how Eberflus stacks up in this regard.

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Teams had figured out the uncovered areas in Lovie's version and were routinely hitting 15-20 yard outs his version gives you on almost every play, his version only really thrived when you had a healthy Tommie Harris wreaking havoc at three technique and getting early inside pressure which took away the easy reads. Hicks is a guy that can definitely give you immediate pressure up the middle, but not sure if he's an every down player at this stage?

The way the Colts D swarmed to the ball and tried to punch the ball out was very reminiscent of the Lovie days, maybe they will bring back the originator of the "Peanut Punch" to talk to the team?


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Well we'll be able to see who was a better hire since Harbaugh is getting the Vikings job.

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Well we'll be able to see who was a better hire since Harbaugh is getting the Vikings job.


What’s more important- coaching and scheme or personnel?

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Well we'll be able to see who was a better hire since Harbaugh is getting the Vikings job.


What’s more important- coaching and scheme or personnel?



Tough question, i say personnel though. Coaching n scheming can make scrubs go 9 or 10 wins.. personnel should always shine through eventually. Look at Barry Switzer or Joe Torre, Mike Mccarthy, Dungy, Kubiak.

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Well we'll be able to see who was a better hire since Harbaugh is getting the Vikings job.


What’s more important- coaching and scheme or personnel?

In one season? I’d go personnel. Over several years I’d go coaching & scheme.

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I'm listening to the Mully & Haugh podcast from earlier today wherein they discuss the question, "Does the Cover 2 work any more?"

While they don't actually answer this question, they do agree with my conclusion that the Colts defensive staff was going to be fired if the Bears hadn't "stolen" Eberflus. They describe Eberflus as "a better head coaching candidate than a defensive coordinator" and express relief that Eberflus won't retain defensive coordinator responsibilities with the Bears. The problem, though, is that they fail to mention that the Bears defensive coordinator is "just a guy" from the Colts' staff, that Eberflus has no expertise in offensive football, and that Getsy is largely an unknown quantity who has never called plays to this point in his career. I remain optimistic because I kind of like both Poles and Eberflus, but this just doesn't look good.

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I'm listening to the Mully & Haugh podcast from earlier today wherein they discuss the question, "Does the Cover 2 work any more?"

While they don't actually answer this question, they do agree with my conclusion that the Colts defensive staff was going to be fired if the Bears hadn't "stolen" Eberflus. They describe Eberflus as "a better head coaching candidate than a defensive coordinator" and express relief that Eberflus won't retain defensive coordinator responsibilities with the Bears. The problem, though, is that they fail to mention that the Bears defensive coordinator is "just a guy" from the Colts' staff, that Eberflus has no expertise in offensive football, and that Getsy is largely an unknown quantity who has never called plays to this point in his career. I remain optimistic because I kind of like both Poles and Eberflus, but this just doesn't look good.


For what it is worth, the potential defensive coordinator has called plays before.

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I'm listening to the Raiders' introductory press conference for Ziegler and McDaniels right now. Based on this limited exposure, I think Ziegler sounds like a lightweight, a shallow thinker who is out of his depth. In contrast, McDaniels seems to have thought carefully both about football and his development as a coach. His education from Belichick has taught him how to understand the game from many perspectives, how to analyze opposing teams as problems that require unique solutions, and how to maintain the schematic flexibility needed to identify these solutions. He also admits to his past failures as a leader and has transformed his philosophy from one grounded in power and control to one rooted in service, teaching and a commitment to maximizing the potential of his assistant coaches and players. Overall, I found Ziegler to be far less impressive than Poles, and McDaniels far more impressive than Eberflus.

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I'm listening to the Raiders' introductory press conference for Ziegler and McDaniels right now. Based on this limited exposure, I think Ziegler sounds like a lightweight, a shallow thinker who is out of his depth. In contrast, McDaniels seems to have thought carefully both about football and his development as a coach. His education from Belichick has taught him how to understand the game from many perspectives, how to analyze opposing teams as problems that require unique solutions, and how to maintain the schematic flexibility needed to identify these solutions. He also admits to his past failures as a leader and has transformed his philosophy from one grounded in power and control to one rooted in service, teaching and a commitment to maximizing the potential of his assistant coaches and players. Overall, I found Ziegler to be far less impressive than Poles, and McDaniels far more impressive than Eberflus.


I heard that earlier and was thinking he may be the Belichick exception. I am curious why he only wanted to interview with the Raiders.

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I'm listening to the Raiders' introductory press conference for Ziegler and McDaniels right now. Based on this limited exposure, I think Ziegler sounds like a lightweight, a shallow thinker who is out of his depth. In contrast, McDaniels seems to have thought carefully both about football and his development as a coach. His education from Belichick has taught him how to understand the game from many perspectives, how to analyze opposing teams as problems that require unique solutions, and how to maintain the schematic flexibility needed to identify these solutions. He also admits to his past failures as a leader and has transformed his philosophy from one grounded in power and control to one rooted in service, teaching and a commitment to maximizing the potential of his assistant coaches and players. Overall, I found Ziegler to be far less impressive than Poles, and McDaniels far more impressive than Eberflus.


I would have had Mc Daniels at the top of my list. I didn't think he'd even be available to the Bears. Same with Harbaugh.

As I said, the Bears are asking you to take many leaps of faith with their hires. It doesn't mean they were incorrect, but no one has experience in the job for which he was hired.

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I'm listening to the Raiders' introductory press conference for Ziegler and McDaniels right now. Based on this limited exposure, I think Ziegler sounds like a lightweight, a shallow thinker who is out of his depth. In contrast, McDaniels seems to have thought carefully both about football and his development as a coach. His education from Belichick has taught him how to understand the game from many perspectives, how to analyze opposing teams as problems that require unique solutions, and how to maintain the schematic flexibility needed to identify these solutions. He also admits to his past failures as a leader and has transformed his philosophy from one grounded in power and control to one rooted in service, teaching and a commitment to maximizing the potential of his assistant coaches and players. Overall, I found Ziegler to be far less impressive than Poles, and McDaniels far more impressive than Eberflus.


I heard that earlier and was thinking he may be the Belichick exception. I am curious why he only wanted to interview with the Raiders.

I find this very telling. I'm guessing McDaniels feels the Raiders are the most fixable team with a vacancy.

It's fair to be critical of McDaniels for his prior disasters, but it's also important to remember that Belichik and Carroll were failures their first runs as NFL head coach. There's something to be said for failing....ego check....working your way back up. We will see if that's the case.

Quinn and McDaniels should have been pretty high on the Head Coaching candidate list for their experience alone.

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I think McDaniels and Ziegler were a package deal. Teams that may have been interested in McDaniels may not have been interested in Ziegler.

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There are a lot of impressive candidates (or were) this hiring cycle and we wound up with the guy Indy is doing backflips over him leaving.


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I liked Todd Bowles if we were going with a defensive coach

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I liked Todd Bowles if we were going with a defensive coach


I did as well until he wet the bed with that dumb call.

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What was the attraction of Bowles?

He is the defensive version of Caldwell.

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I'm listening to the Raiders' introductory press conference for Ziegler and McDaniels right now. Based on this limited exposure, I think Ziegler sounds like a lightweight, a shallow thinker who is out of his depth. In contrast, McDaniels seems to have thought carefully both about football and his development as a coach. His education from Belichick has taught him how to understand the game from many perspectives, how to analyze opposing teams as problems that require unique solutions, and how to maintain the schematic flexibility needed to identify these solutions. He also admits to his past failures as a leader and has transformed his philosophy from one grounded in power and control to one rooted in service, teaching and a commitment to maximizing the potential of his assistant coaches and players. Overall, I found Ziegler to be far less impressive than Poles, and McDaniels far more impressive than Eberflus.


I heard that earlier and was thinking he may be the Belichick exception. I am curious why he only wanted to interview with the Raiders.

I find this very telling. I'm guessing McDaniels feels the Raiders are the most fixable team with a vacancy.

It's fair to be critical of McDaniels for his prior disasters, but it's also important to remember that Belichik and Carroll were failures their first runs as NFL head coach. There's something to be said for failing....ego check....working your way back up. We will see if that's the case.

Quinn and McDaniels should have been pretty high on the Head Coaching candidate list for their experience alone.


The Parcells/Belichick guys are all pretty much cut from the same cloth. If he's made the adjustments, the Raiders will have a great coach until the New England job opens up.

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What was the attraction of Bowles?

He is the defensive version of Caldwell.

No thanks


He's a lot younger and he seemed like a guy who would do well the 2nd time around. His defenses had been pretty good. Even with injuries.

He ended Brady's career. For that, he'll forever be dead to me.

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There are a lot of impressive candidates (or were) this hiring cycle and we wound up with the guy Indy is doing backflips over him leaving.


:lol: :lol:

Pretty much.

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Frank Reich with a lot of great things to say about Eberflus.

https://youtu.be/VduDEKcijIs

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Alan Williams is the new defensive coordinator. He'll be a head coach in the next 5 years.

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Alan Williams is the new defensive coordinator. He'll be a head coach in the next 5 years.


At Loyola or Mt. Carmel?

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What was the attraction of Bowles?


He kept Tom Brady from another Super Bowl.

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Alan Williams is the new defensive coordinator. He'll be a head coach in the next 5 years.


Have they announced the D-line coach yet? Is that going to be Marinelli?

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