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Florio on with Bernstein suggesting this should lead to a change in the draft. He’s got a bunch of bad ideas on how to accomplish that.


Florio had more bad ideas than that. He always seems to think these things will be nuclear bombs.

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Running Jim Caldwell off and going through 3 or 4 offensive coordinators in 3 seasons isn't a resume to get you automatically hired for a 2nd head coaching gig.


I disagree. I don't think there was a person alive who didn't think he did a great job with those Dolphins teams. His possible personality issues shouldn't get in the way of that. A lot of coaches are insane.


That was the ceiling for those teams because of the offense. And you can't improve your offense or young QB when you're changing coordinators at that rate.


Fangio hit his ceiling in Denver with the QB's he had.

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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.

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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.


I'm not sure another job will be there for Leftwich. Maybe it isn't ideal, but you can't pass up that job.

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I'm a big fan of the Giants, but I am no fan of how the team has been run in recent years. That said, I am confused about why Flores is singling them out - everyone knew even before the second round of interviews that Daboll was their guy due to the Schoen connection. It was hardly going out on a limb to say the word was the Daboll was getting that job. As far as the Rooney Rule goes, they had already met that rules conditions by having a second interview with Patrick Graham a couple days before Flores.


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This seems to parallel the Kaepernick situation. Good player/coach, but likely feeling career is on the decline, so decides to go scorched earth and look for a settlement.

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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.


I'm not sure another job will be there for Leftwich. Maybe it isn't ideal, but you can't pass up that job.



That's a credit to Leftwich.

No sense taking a job that you won't be successful at.

The Jaguars, Raiders and Giants ownership have made the Bears look like IBM in this process.

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The Jaguars, Raiders and Giants ownership have made the Bears look like IBM in this process.


Considering Jim Harbaugh is going to our division rival, not really.


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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.


I'm not sure another job will be there for Leftwich. Maybe it isn't ideal, but you can't pass up that job.



That's a credit to Leftwich.

No sense taking a job that you won't be successful at.

The Jaguars, Raiders and Giants ownership have made the Bears look like IBM in this process.

I fully concede that I may be missing something here, but what exactly did the Giants do wrong? Hiring a white person for head coach?


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I fully concede that I may be missing something here, but what exactly did the Giants do wrong? Hiring a white person for head coach?


Flores says that Belichick texted him accidentally (thinking he was texting Daboll) to congratulate him on getting the Giants job....which was three days before Flores had his interview. So he's claiming the interview was a sham.

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I'm a big fan of the Giants, but I am no fan of how the team has been run in recent years. That said, I am confused about why Flores is singling them out - everyone knew even before the second round of interviews that Daboll was their guy due to the Schoen connection. It was hardly going out on a limb to say the word was the Daboll was getting that job. As far as the Rooney Rule goes, they had already met that rules conditions by having a second interview with Patrick Graham a couple days before Flores.

Yeah nothing about this makes any sense.

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I fully concede that I may be missing something here, but what exactly did the Giants do wrong? Hiring a white person for head coach?


Flores says that Belichick texted him accidentally (thinking he was texting Daboll) to congratulate him on getting the Giants job....which was three days before Flores had his interview. So he's claiming the interview was a sham.

Yeah i read all that too - but EVERYONE was reporting that Daboll was a clear front-runner for that job and that ANYONE else interviewing was going to have to hit a grand slam. And they had already met the Rooney Rule before Flores ever stepped in the building. What is his beef, that Belichick texted something everyone paying attention already knew was likely going to happen? There is a lot to dislike about how the team has been run recently, but this is bullshit.


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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.


I'm not sure another job will be there for Leftwich. Maybe it isn't ideal, but you can't pass up that job.



That's a credit to Leftwich.

No sense taking a job that you won't be successful at.

The Jaguars, Raiders and Giants ownership have made the Bears look like IBM in this process.


I hear you, but these opportunity don't come around often. I doubt he's going to get another job offer without Brady. That's too big of a pay day to turn down because of pride or a power struggle.

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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.


I'm not sure another job will be there for Leftwich. Maybe it isn't ideal, but you can't pass up that job.



That's a credit to Leftwich.

No sense taking a job that you won't be successful at.

The Jaguars, Raiders and Giants ownership have made the Bears look like IBM in this process.


I hear you, but these opportunity don't come around often. I doubt he's going to get another job offer without Brady. That's too big of a pay day to turn down because of pride or a power struggle.

I’d agree. It’s like politics - you shouldn’t pass up an opportunity because you have no clue how things will go in the future.

McDaniels may be the exception but he’s still riding Belichick’s coattails - not sure Arians can provide the same to leftwich.

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Leftwich just lost his Brady Train. Turning down any head coaching job is about as dumb of a career move as you can think of right now.


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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.

Enlighten me....I don't recall many examples of this with a younger OC interviewing for first head coaching job. I've only seen it with experienced head coaches who are demanding roster authority or being named GM and Head Coach together.

Leftwich may be not be wrong in this situation with the sitting GM, but it's not a scenario I recall playing out very often.

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Leftwich and Demeco Ryans turning down jobs during this cycle won't help his case either.

Don't know about Ryans, but it's odd how so many lesser accomplished new coaches got to handpick their GM until Leftwich.

Enlighten me....I don't recall many examples of this with a younger OC interviewing for first head coaching job. I've only seen it with experienced head coaches who are demanding roster authority or being named GM and Head Coach together.

Leftwich may be not be wrong in this situation with the sitting GM, but it's not a scenario I recall playing out very often.

Matt Ruhle, Shanahan, Smith in Atlanta I think. Not to mention McDaniels now.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?

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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.


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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?


What about your Saints? Don't tell me they don't like Central American Brothers.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?


What about your Saints? Don't tell me they don't like Central American Brothers.

Dennis Allen has that on lock. He's put in the work.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?


What about your Saints? Don't tell me they don't like Central American Brothers.

Dennis Allen has that on lock. He's put in the work.


I'm happy that I am a fan of the most progressive organization in football. My Chicago Bears have had a black coach, drafted a black quarterback and hired a black GM in the past 15 years. They even have future stars Tanesha Wade and Soup Campbell helping to make these decisions. What have the Saints done? Nothing. Sad!

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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.



Jerry Reese disagrees.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?


What about your Saints? Don't tell me they don't like Central American Brothers.

Dennis Allen has that on lock. He's put in the work.


I'm happy that I am a fan of the most progressive organization in football. My Chicago Bears have had a black coach, drafted a black quarterback and hired a black GM in the past 15 years. They even have future stars Tanesha Wade and Soup Campbell helping to make these decisions. What have the Saints done? Nothing. Sad!


Two Black QBs, Super Bowl title and substantially better fan base(especially in the stands). We're good. :D

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It's still funny that part of the issue is that John Elway was hungover in 2019.

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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.



Jerry Reese disagrees.

The incompetent ghosts of Joe Judge, Pat Schurmur and Ben McAdoo suggest otherwise.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?



I'll be stunned if he ever becomes a head coach in the league again.

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