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 Post subject: Re: Aging issue?
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It feels like just about every section/thread of this board is filled with some racial or political grievance. You can't escape it even if you avoid the politics section. It wasn't always this way. Is this what happens with age? Is there an expiration date for this?



I blame DRUMPF and Hillary. Things were much better when Joe Lieberman and John McCain just got together to amicably fuck everybody in smoke-filled rooms rather than rancorously calling half the country pieces of shit.


American society became polarized along racial lines with Obama's ascent to the presidency.


I don't think that's true. Whole lot of white people voted for Obama, not once, but twice. Obama is still widely respected and beloved.

The American working class expected Obama to be a respite from the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush years when they got fucked six ways to Sunday and when Obama failed to deliver disappointment turned to rage.


Fair enough, I don't think I phrased my post above quite as well as I should have. Obama's ascent polarized people according to their political beliefs; and the determining factor in their political beliefs was race. Tesler documents this change quite well in his book, though he doesn't manage to probe the extent to which racial politics are deeply intertwined with other political issues, most notably class precarity felt by working class white people. Many of the discussions on this board--and the identity of several posters on the board--perfectly capture this precarity.

While Obama was a disappointment, he and the rest of us are suffering from the Southern strategy starting in the sixties. Imho. It didn't happen or get continued in a vacuum

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While Obama was a disappointment, he and the rest of us are suffering from the Southern strategy starting in the sixties.

Maybe he was just bored.

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President Obama gave us the College Football Playoff, a dead Osama Bin Laden and many dead plucky Somali pirates and a my-god-what-is-this-shit health care plan. Could've etched his physiognomy on the next Mount Rushmore with LBJ and FDR if he had told the health care insurers to go hang and delivered real health care reform.


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While Obama was a disappointment, he and the rest of us are suffering from the Southern strategy starting in the sixties.

Maybe he was just bored.



A lot of suffering on Martha's Vineyard.

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As with most things around here people are reaching for singular reasons for complex issues. Things have been getting consistently worse for a long time.

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Things have been getting consistently worse for a long time.
That's also a sign of aging. :lol:

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Things have been getting consistently worse for a long time.
That's also a sign of aging. :lol:


:lol: No doubt about that.

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Nas wrote:
It feels like just about every section/thread of this board is filled with some racial or political grievance. You can't escape it even if you avoid the politics section. It wasn't always this way. Is this what happens with age? Is there an expiration date for this?


Erza Klein's book "Why We're so Polarized" does a fantastic job of explaining what has led to the state of the country. He explains the history of the political parties over the last 100+ years, the rural vs urban divide, and the psychology of identity politics. I highly recommend it.

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Nas wrote:
It feels like just about every section/thread of this board is filled with some racial or political grievance. You can't escape it even if you avoid the politics section. It wasn't always this way. Is this what happens with age? Is there an expiration date for this?


Erza Klein's book "Why We're so Polarized" does a fantastic job of explaining what has led to the state of the country. He explains the history of the political parties over the last 100+ years, the rural vs urban divide, and the psychology of identity politics. I highly recommend it.


Ezra Klein :lol:

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Nas wrote:
It feels like just about every section/thread of this board is filled with some racial or political grievance. You can't escape it even if you avoid the politics section. It wasn't always this way. Is this what happens with age? Is there an expiration date for this?



I blame DRUMPF and Hillary. Things were much better when Joe Lieberman and John McCain just got together to amicably fuck everybody in smoke-filled rooms rather than rancorously calling half the country pieces of shit.


American society became polarized along racial lines with Obama's ascent to the presidency.


I don't think that's true. Whole lot of white people voted for Obama, not once, but twice. Obama is still widely respected and beloved.

The American working class expected Obama to be a respite from the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush years when they got fucked six ways to Sunday and when Obama failed to deliver disappointment turned to rage.


Fair enough, I don't think I phrased my post above quite as well as I should have. Obama's ascent polarized people according to their political beliefs; and the determining factor in their political beliefs was race. Tesler documents this change quite well in his book, though he doesn't manage to probe the extent to which racial politics are deeply intertwined with other political issues, most notably class precarity felt by working class white people. Many of the discussions on this board--and the identity of several posters on the board--perfectly capture this precarity.


There has been a fair amount written about the determining factor being those who felt left out economically.

Race was the narrative pushed by a complicit media that keeps the power structure you mentioned earlier from disintegrating.


Right, well I don't think Tesler's argument is infallible. But there's no question that Obama's rise had a polarizing effect on the white electorate, and that polarization corresponds to a major shift in racial perspectives among whites. The PMC became radicalized around race whereas the lower middle class and working class moved to the right on this issue.

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This was happening well before Obama. A decadent society that started to turn on the values that made it so successful. The Civil Rights battle that continued on well past its goals being met because the infrastructure was in place, and people kept writing checks. Obama was a signal that the Civil Rights battle had been decisively won. What polarizing effect did his election have other than the usual red/blue divide?

Look at the number of Obama counties that swung Trump.

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Race is embedded in American society and always has been. It has never not been a part of American society. For as much as people claim that it isn't it most certainly is.

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People have been very angry this week. I feel it too.

There was no football too which distracted from the building anger in Jan.

Social media , msm, right wing media , and dumb ass celebrities are adding fuel to the fire.

I just want to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

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Nas wrote:
It feels like just about every section/thread of this board is filled with some racial or political grievance. You can't escape it even if you avoid the politics section. It wasn't always this way. Is this what happens with age? Is there an expiration date for this?


Encounter people of all ages each day at work, find the folks that have been lucky enough to reach 80 don't really care anymore, due to a combination of seeing everything and knowing not to engage people in political discussions and having a greater appreciation for human interaction because almost all your friends are dead.


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One thing that was brought up in this thread and I've heard other places is how Obama divided the nation by race. I hear a lot of right wing , fox news , people say this.

I really don't see it. Is it more that they were pissed off he was black and that is what they mean 'he' divided the country by race when it was their own personal racism?


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Reagan opened his post convention campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi talking state's rights and you dipshits want to blame Obama?
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Reagan opened his post convention campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi talking state's rights and you dipshits want to blame Obama?
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Telling.

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Reagan opened his post convention campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi talking state's rights and you dipshits want to blame Obama?
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Telling.

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Telling.

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