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Baseball is unfortunately on the long road to where boxing and horse racing have ended up.

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Baseball is unfortunately on the long road to where boxing and horse racing have ended up.

per Deadspin.

It's funny I'm sitting here watching t.v., wearing an old Olympic team tee shirt and wearing a youth baseball team captain. And knowing that like me, they aren't relevant to the right demographic en masse.

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And a draft lottery.


MANY players don't need 30+ Spring games to be ready for Opening Day, but I'm not sure how the FA market and building all of the rosters can be done in such a short window.

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Players will not cave on the 6 year+loophole service time issue. I have read the owners may offer compensation in a bonus for players who outperform their rookie contracts.


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Players will not cave on the 6 year+loophole service time issue. I have read the owners may offer compensation in a bonus for players who outperform their rookie contracts.


Players will fold. They always do. Owners aren't giving in on that.

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I hate the universal DH, but I accepted losing this argument a long time ago.
It's sad pro sports have to resort to a draft lottery, but it's become a necessary thing.

OK....tanking and DH....those are the easy ones. Now get to work on the revenue split. This isn't getting resolved any time soon.

Yes...I do believe the players will be the ones to cave, but not without a shortened season. The owners will find a way to share more money with the veterans and journeyman players and hold most of the service time / control of rookies. The union says they care about rookies and service time, but they really don't. They just want their share of the pie.

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I hate the universal DH, but I accepted losing this argument a long time ago.
It's sad pro sports have to resort to a draft lottery, but it's become a necessary thing.

OK....tanking and DH....those are the easy ones. Now get to work on the revenue split. This isn't getting resolved any time soon.

Yes...I do believe the players will be the ones to cave, but not without a shortened season. The owners will find a way to share more money with the veterans and journeyman players and hold most of the service time / control of rookies. The union says they care about rookies and service time, but they really don't. They just want their share of the pie.

And until the owners actually provide an honest accounting, we're stuck.

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I hate the universal DH, but I accepted losing this argument a long time ago.
It's sad pro sports have to resort to a draft lottery, but it's become a necessary thing.

OK....tanking and DH....those are the easy ones. Now get to work on the revenue split. This isn't getting resolved any time soon.

Yes...I do believe the players will be the ones to cave, but not without a shortened season. The owners will find a way to share more money with the veterans and journeyman players and hold most of the service time / control of rookies. The union says they care about rookies and service time, but they really don't. They just want their share of the pie.

And until the owners actually provide an honest accounting, we're stuck.

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Players will not cave on the 6 year+loophole service time issue. I have read the owners may offer compensation in a bonus for players who outperform their rookie contracts.


Players will fold. They always do. Owners aren't giving in on that.

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Players will not cave on the 6 year+loophole service time issue. I have read the owners may offer compensation in a bonus for players who outperform their rookie contracts.


Players will fold. They always do. Owners aren't giving in on that.

Large war chest. This was well prepared for.

I'm sorry but it's getting harder and harder to root for any of these clowns. It's gone beyond sad.

And that's coming from someone who tried to find the Caribbean Series. After spending an inordinate amount of time watching it with my then toddler sons.

One of whom wants my Satchel Paige jersey. Because I already gave his brother my signed throwback Jerry Rice jersey.

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Players will not cave on the 6 year+loophole service time issue. I have read the owners may offer compensation in a bonus for players who outperform their rookie contracts.


Players will fold. They always do. Owners aren't giving in on that.

Large war chest. This was well prepared for.

I'm sorry but it's getting harder and harder to root for any of these clowns. It's gone beyond sad.

And that's coming from someone who tried to find the Caribbean Series. After spending an inordinate amount of time watching it with my then toddler sons.

One of whom wants my Satchel Paige jersey. Because I already gave his brother my signed throwback Jerry Rice jersey.

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I may be alone in this but I genuinely don’t care who wins or loses in professional sports’ labor negotiations.

My view is generally that players will lose and it’s really just how long they want to dig in before giving up. Noting that, I’d rather they just drop the arbitration/luxury tax stuff, ask for better playoff economics and stop dicking around with the 2022 White Sox coronation.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I may be alone in this but I genuinely don’t care who wins or loses in professional sports’ labor negotiations.

My view is generally that players will lose and it’s really just how long they want to dig in before giving up. Noting that, I’d rather they just drop the arbitration/luxury tax stuff, ask for better playoff economics and stop dicking around with the 2022 White Sox coronation.

The more playoff teams, the lesser the odds because....baseball. Now every year the 2006 Cardinals are playing.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I may be alone in this but I genuinely don’t care who wins or loses in professional sports’ labor negotiations.

My view is generally that players will lose and it’s really just how long they want to dig in before giving up. Noting that, I’d rather they just drop the arbitration/luxury tax stuff, ask for better playoff economics and stop dicking around with the 2022 White Sox coronation.

The more playoff teams, the lesser the odds because....baseball. Now every year the 2006 Cardinals are playing.

That may increase the number of teams who try to win and alleviate the tanking issue to some extent.

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More playoff teams in MLB is not a good thing unless they shorten the regular season and play best of 3 or 5 Wild Card series.

In the NFL, there have been four #7 seeds in the playoffs so far, they're 0-4. Two of them have lost by more than 20 points. The Bears lost by 11.

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The long regular season is justification for a limited number of playoff teams. The best teams are determined over lots game. No reason teams sniffing .500 should be given a chance to win the World Series especially when teams can load up in July from tanking teams.

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Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?

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Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?

The players union should ask the players on those teams why they aren't very good.

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Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?

The players union should ask the players on those teams why they aren't very good.

Well they already know they’re not good because they don’t make enough money.

If mlb playoffs are truly the crapshoot we’ve been led to believe by the Theos & Billy Beanes of the world, why not call ownership’s bluff and incentivize them to pay for better talent?

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The long regular season is justification for a limited number of playoff teams. The best teams are determined over lots game. No reason teams sniffing .500 should be given a chance to win the World Series especially when teams can load up in July from tanking teams.

We can't agree more. I can't stand to see modest teams in any sport in any playoffs.

And btw, Nardi it's a flannel Kansas City Monarchs jersey.

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Yup. Theo ruined baseball.

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Yup. Theo ruined baseball.

Agreed. Other sports too.

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Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?




- Salary floor along with a cap.

- Draft lottery.

. Stop the revenue sharing garbage.

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The long regular season is justification for a limited number of playoff teams. The best teams are determined over lots game. No reason teams sniffing .500 should be given a chance to win the World Series especially when teams can load up in July from tanking teams.


Two Leagues, no divisions. Balanced schedules. Top 4 teams in both leagues make it.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?




- Salary floor along with a cap.

- Draft lottery.

. Stop the revenue sharing garbage.

Players will never agree to a cap. They don’t even like the soft cap that’s been created by the luxury tax.

If owners just gave them some of the playoff tv money and a shorter season I feel like it’s a reasonable accommodation. The service time stuff seems like a fair request from the union but for some reason the owners are acting like that’s a deal breaker.

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