It is currently Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:28 pm

View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » CHICAGO BEARS

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 11 of 24
  [ 716 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 24  Next
  Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Zippy-The-Pinhead
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:04 pm
Posts: 13239
Location: God's country
pizza_Place: Gem City
denisdman wrote:
I often wondered what percentage of a play is success is determined by which play is called. I suspect there are far bigger determinants, namely execution and personnel. I bet most plays can work if the offense executes it correctly and/or the personnel is superior.

I believe the parameters you've listed are interconnected rather than separate measurables. Good play calling in large part means making use of your players strengths and to some degree hiding their weaknesses.

_________________
“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.”- JD Vance
“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance
Top
 Profile  
 
denisdman
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:55 pm
Posts: 33067
Location: Wrigley
pizza_Place: Warren Buffet of Cock
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
denisdman wrote:
I often wondered what percentage of a play is success is determined by which play is called. I suspect there are far bigger determinants, namely execution and personnel. I bet most plays can work if the offense executes it correctly and/or the personnel is superior.

I believe the parameters you've listed are interconnected rather than separate measurables. Good play calling in large part means making use of your players strengths and to some degree hiding their weaknesses.


Let me pose it a different way. If you gave Andy Reid the Bears 2021 offense, and Lazor/Nagy the 2021 KC offense, how much better would the Bears be and how much worse would KC be?

_________________
Hawaii (fuck) You
Top
 Profile  
 
billypootons
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 17, 2013 6:09 pm
Posts: 10980
pizza_Place: Generic Pizza Store
Trevor Siemian visited halas hall for some reason.... what role a bad 30 year old QB could play on this team... im not sure
Top
 Profile  
 
veganfan21
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
billypootons wrote:
Trevor Siemian visited halas hall for some reason.... what role a bad 30 year old QB could play on this team... im not sure


I'll give him this much: Poles really knows how to reel in big names. I wonder if Jordan Howard is next.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY
Top
 Profile  
 
Caller Bob
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41375
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Armstead to Dolphins. Poles continues to do nothing
Top
 Profile  
 
Clawmaster
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:06 pm
Posts: 4040
pizza_Place: Lino's
Caller Bob wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
The play action game should be deadly with a mobile QB like Fields, poor play design and play calling killed them last year, especially the odd shotgun play action crap they kept trotting out where Mustipher or Daniels would get blown up and the DT was in the backfield, or the RT would completely miss his block which allowed the backside pursuit to get there before Fields could look downfield.

Of course, Fields held the ball way too long trying to hit the home run and passed up on easy checkdowns, but they should be able to coach him up, if he doesn't respond to what should be at least competent coaching they have plenty of assets next year to move on, but that is what this year will be about, brutal roster decisions based on lack of production. Will really be curious to see how the often disinterested Eddie Jackson responds to the hustle, play physical, and play to the echo of the whistle stuff the new defensive coaching staff preaches. They have already moved on from several high paid vets that frequently took plays off, or ignored gap assignments in the pursuit of stats.


The new offensive coordinator, Getsy, has never called plays, at any level, ever. Why are we just assuming that the play calling will be better? We don't know.


Did you watch the Cleveland game?
Top
 Profile  
 
Tall Midget
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:11 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 29461
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
Top
 Profile  
 
NME
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:32 pm
Posts: 4993
Location: What buisness is it of yours, where I'm from
pizza_Place: Tombstone
Caller Bob wrote:
Armstead to Dolphins. Poles continues to do nothing




So far I’m doing my best to take a ‘wait and see’ approach with all this to give things a chance to play out.. still I can’t help but notice he’s done what seems to be very little to help the team while also seemingly weakening the team (losing Pat O’Donnell who wouldn’t have costed much to keep has an odd feel to it.. and it strengthens a costly weakness to a division rival in GB)


What I’m saying is, while I understand some people’s frustrations in here with your negative attitude.. I kind of get where you’re coming from too.


That said, this hasn’t really been a gold mine free agency and not a whole lot of this matters.. yet. So, I’m going to continue to be as patient as I can with the process. But I do get it man

_________________
If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?


Last edited by NME on Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
NME
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:32 pm
Posts: 4993
Location: What buisness is it of yours, where I'm from
pizza_Place: Tombstone
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.




Everything I’ve seen (and read in articles) seems to suggest he doesn’t like a single thing on this roster.

_________________
If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?
Top
 Profile  
 
Tall Midget
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:21 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 29461
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
NME wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.




Everything I’ve seen (and read in articles) seems to suggest he doesn’t like a single thing on this roster.


It certainly appears that's the case. I would expect that Jackson and Quinn will be gone next. I believe the Bears get more salary cap relief if they wait until June 1 to jettison Jackson; they get even more cap room if they can trade him after June 1.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:22 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


Or use our MANY early draft picks and cap space to build around him.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:25 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
NME wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Armstead to Dolphins. Poles continues to do nothing




So far I’m doing my best to take a ‘wait and see’ approach with all this to give things a chance to play out.. still I can’t help but notice he’s done what seems to be very little to help the team while also seemingly weakening the team (losing Pat O’Donnell who wouldn’t have costed much to keep has an odd feel to it.. and it strengthens a costly weakness to a division rival in GB)


What I’m saying is, while I understand some people’s frustrations in here with your negative attitude.. I kind of get where you’re coming from too.


That said, this hasn’t really been a gold mine free agency and not a whole lot of this matters.. yet. So, I’m going to continue to be as patient as I can with the process. But I do get it man


I don't think he's passed on much. He's keeping cap flexibility for next season, and he's said that he loves the 2nd and 3rd wave of free agency.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
Tall Midget
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:26 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 29461
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Nas wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


Or use our MANY early draft picks and cap space to build around him.


It's wait and see at this point.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
Top
 Profile  
 
RFDC
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57196
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.

I dont think we can say that yet. I think he is going to give him a fair shot to show who he is this season. But if things do not go well he appears ready to move on quickly.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:40 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Lots of cap space to extend Roquan and sign other 2nd and 3rd tier free agents.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/20 ... -shopping/

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
Tall Midget
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:15 am 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 29461
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
RFDC wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.

I dont think we can say that yet. I think he is going to give him a fair shot to show who he is this season. But if things do not go well he appears ready to move on quickly.


Poles has no other choice but to give Fields a shot this year. Thus far, though, Poles doesn't seem concerned with putting him in a position to succeed. Things can change, but I would be concerned right now if I were Fields.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
Top
 Profile  
 
Caller Bob
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:17 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41375
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Simultaneously "tanking" and trying to develop a young QB doesn't seem like the best idea.
Top
 Profile  
 
Caller Bob
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41375
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Clawmaster wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
The play action game should be deadly with a mobile QB like Fields, poor play design and play calling killed them last year, especially the odd shotgun play action crap they kept trotting out where Mustipher or Daniels would get blown up and the DT was in the backfield, or the RT would completely miss his block which allowed the backside pursuit to get there before Fields could look downfield.

Of course, Fields held the ball way too long trying to hit the home run and passed up on easy checkdowns, but they should be able to coach him up, if he doesn't respond to what should be at least competent coaching they have plenty of assets next year to move on, but that is what this year will be about, brutal roster decisions based on lack of production. Will really be curious to see how the often disinterested Eddie Jackson responds to the hustle, play physical, and play to the echo of the whistle stuff the new defensive coaching staff preaches. They have already moved on from several high paid vets that frequently took plays off, or ignored gap assignments in the pursuit of stats.


The new offensive coordinator, Getsy, has never called plays, at any level, ever. Why are we just assuming that the play calling will be better? We don't know.


Did you watch the Cleveland game?


Yes, Nagy was terrible. We have no idea if Luke Getsy will be any better.
Top
 Profile  
 
Tall Midget
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:23 am 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 29461
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Caller Bob wrote:
Simultaneously "tanking" and trying to develop a young QB doesn't seem like the best idea.


Exactly. And if the Bears are tanking, what does this indicate about their plans for the QB position?

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:25 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82143
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Augie
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:28 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:50 pm
Posts: 1544
pizza_Place: Beek's
Are Bears fan ok going 5-12 or 4-13 on long as it's known that they're doing a rebuild?

I think getting Fields mechanics right and getting him NFL ready for reading defenses and running an offense would count as progress regardless of stats.

I heard that another reason Poles took the Bears job was the money. They offered more than the Vikings and other teams that he was talking to. I don't think hiring Eberflus his decision, but Poles likely views him as placeholder during the re-build. I'm also pretty sure that he had to say he was all in on Fields during the interview. Poles is smart enough to not rock the boat on certain things at this point.

_________________
"I give you my word as a Biden"
Top
 Profile  
 
badrogue17
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38672
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
good dolphin wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him

Maybe there aren’t any takers for him and his can’t miss performance and resume so far .

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:29 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
The problems Fields had last year had NOTHING to do with the talent around him. The Bears will be fine if he works on his game.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82143
to borrow from another team's mantra, he's doing exactly what he told you he would do

The draft is in a month. We'll see what that provides.

Post draft is the second wave of free agency, after teams cut all kinds of veterans who can still play but are either overpriced or pushed out by a rookie.

Keep it cool for a while and see how this plays out

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:32 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
good dolphin wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


The only Bears he ever mentions are Mooney, Fields, and Roquan. The Fields apologists are fishing for excuses in case he sucks AGAIN this year.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
Tall Midget
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:34 am 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 29461
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
good dolphin wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82143
badrogue17 wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him

Maybe there aren’t any takers for him and his can’t miss performance and resume so far .


Maybe. Anyone looking at spending a first on a QB this year would be crazy not to offer it for Fields instead.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:36 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Tall Midget wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.


The offseason is only 2 weeks old.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
badrogue17
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38672
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Tall Midget wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.

It should be the priority regardless of who is chucking the rock. Build an great line first and foremost and you don’t need Fields to be great .

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.
Top
 Profile  
 
Clawmaster
 Post subject: Re: Off-season Wish List
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:37 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:06 pm
Posts: 4040
pizza_Place: Lino's
Agree that some are way too pessimistic right now given the state of the roster Poles inherited, there is a ton of heavy lifting to be done to reconstruct the roster, especially offensively.

Poles has them in a position to take on a few big veteran contracts next year, but the days of pouring an inordinate amount of salary cap space on defense are likely over, and if Fields shows he is the guy they will have to keep space open to extend him.
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 11 of 24
  [ 716 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 24  Next

Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » CHICAGO BEARS

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group