And instead of answering my question directly which was 'how does asking for competence equal asking for perfection?'.. you opt for a goal post move.

Ok. I'll play along





Agree to a point on the 1st sentence, disagree partially with the last sentence. Fields was a rookie QB that got thrown into the mix earlier than he should have by a coach that clearly was in over his head, had no idea how to develop his own offense let alone a 2nd young QB he was handed. I'll let his failure with every single QB he worked with from veterans he insisted on having (Foles, Dalton) to a young high draft pick he hoodwinked his way into the job claiming he could develop in (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky speak for itself.. and of course his eventual firing for being a stubborn, incompetent, one dimensional failure that was kept around at the very least a full season longer than he should have been.

But yeah, some of that was on Fields too.. as a rookie.






Again, he was a rookie. I'm sure Jacksonville, and the Jets felt the same about the young QB's they drafted that fell flat on their faces too after they were thrust into early starting duties with poor, incompetent coaching.

You want to know what a rookie can look like with a competent coach and organization when he's asked to lead from the start? Take a look at Mac Jones. You dont think Trevor Lawrence of Justin Fields (who at least have more physical talent) could have flourished at a similar rate had they been drafted by the Pats?





And now we come to the goal post move I mentioned earlier. Yeah, ok, improvement, I can agree we should see that regardless of some things.

Now lets move onto what was actually said and being talked about that seemed to have you taking issue with my post - Fields showing us 'he's the guy', or 'showing us what he is', and me adding for that he will need some competent help. Showing 'improvement' isnt mutually exclusive (in my world) with showing 'he's the guy'. They arent the same thing. Mitch showed improvement from his rookie year with Fox to his 1st year with Nagy without proving 'he's the guy' after all.

Asking for things to at least be 'competent' shouldn't be some Hail Marry laughable idea that gets snarky reactions from people like you who want to come off as knowledgeable while claiming that concept is asking for things to be perfect. Taking that position literally leaves you dying on the hill of incompetence because its literally the only other option left after competence.


Its ridiculous on its face to suggest that in his 2nd season in the NFL, and his 1st season with yet another new coach in another new system, everything around him can be at a level of incompetence and he should still be good, he should still show progress that proves this that or the other. There isn't a QB on planet Earth that survives at a high level of efficiency operating under those same conditions, let alone a dude in his 2nd year, and his 1st with a new coach and system.

If Bates calls Olin for help, his opinion of him will skyrocket.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

No doubt.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

Borom was injured and a rookie. I hope that Poles gives Borom and Jenkins a change. Both show promise. Poles needs to hit on draft picks this year. Provide weapons for Fields then go all in on 2024.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

A (5) billion dollar organization being run like a Woolworths 5 & Dime. Just sad...

It looks like Poles has a vision. Jerry Angelo was running things the last time we had a GM with a vision. I'm not sure if Poles will succeed or fail, but it's refreshing to see a guy with a vision running the Bears.

I don't think it will be refreshing to watch a 4-13 football team next fall.

It won't, but I'll feel better about it knowing that there is a plan in place for winning. Besides, if Fields is great, there is no chance that we only win 4 games. That makes the prospects for 2023 even more exciting.

Poles is on a straight salary dump. The Steelers snatched up James Daniels pretty quickly. I've seen that signing listed as one of the top under the radar FA signings. Tomlin is a pretty good judge of whether a guy can play or not.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

As of right now, it looks like 2022 will indeed be a tank season for the Bears. If the season began today, they would be the same or worse at every position group on the field. Things can admittedly change after June 1, though, when the next wave of free agents will become available.

One thing that is curious to me is the signing of Trevor Siemian. Since Foles has already received a $4 million roster bonus and his 2022 salary is only $1 million, it seems like he will be on the team next year, especially since there is no trade market for him. If that's the case, why bring Siemian in as a third-string QB?

Siemian's addition to the roster would make more sense if the Bears really were planning to move Fields at the draft.

I guess we'll know more in about a month.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Vikings writer take on the Bears offseason...

https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/gener ... ears-doing

Normally when a team drafts a quarterback in the 1st Round, as the Minnesota Vikings secondary rival, the Chicago Bears, did in 2021, surrounding the young man with ample talent is on the menu. And this occurs especially in Year Two.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

Right, there's no precedent that comes to mind where a team drafts a QB early in the first round one year and then tanks the following year.

This is part of the reason why it seems reasonable to assume that Poles wants to trade Fields.

Lol Cap Hell ? The Bears are sitting on 29 million in cap space

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

The fact that the team has a new GM works more in favor of my argument than it does yours. So does the fact that Poles was willing to spend $40 million on Ogunjobi but virtually nothing on the offense.

Nevertheless, I can't wait to learn of all the transformative free agent signings Poles makes after June 1!

Maybe our receiving corps and offensive line will eventually be as good as last year.

No, it doesn't. Poles has no loyalty to Fields because he didn't draft him. GMs that draft a quarterback waste assets and spend foolishly to appease a segment of the fan base.

The reality is that there hasn't been a difference maker on the market that Poles passed on. It's just more "Poor Justin" griping before the draft, OTAs, mini camp, training camp, or a preseason game.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

I'm beginning to think Poles is a dope that was in the right room at the right time when someone else decided to draft Patrick Mahomes just like Matt Nagy was in the right place at the right time holding the clipboard for Andy Reid.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Your contrarian mindset has persuaded you that you are disagreeing with me when you are actually supporting my argument.

How did he bungle the Ogunjobi situation? They agreed to a contract with a guy that was pretty well thought to be a good signing and then when he when he didnt pass his physical he moved on. Isn't that what he is supposed to do?

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

How did he bungle the Ogunjobi situation? They agreed to a contract with a guy that was pretty well thought to be a good signing and then when he when he didnt pass his physical he moved on. Isn't that what he is supposed to do?

That's one way to view it. You and Caller Bob are up in arms about the Bears offseason before March has ended. The 2nd and 3rd wave of free agency and the draft will likely produce comparable receivers to the ones that are already signed.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.