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JORR
 Post subject: Baseball is dead
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Kershaw pulled from perfect game after 80 pitches.

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Jorr, before today he only threw a 75 pitch sim game.

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I can see why they did it. However, they were up 6-0 in the 8th, and he needed 6 outs. Could he have told them he would throw at 80-90% and let them hit it...and maybe they hit it right at someone. If they get a hit or baserunner, he obviously comes out. But the game was pretty much decided, so I think they could have just had him take it easy and see what happens.

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Good move. With baseball now the game of 3 outcomes, no hitters/perfect games don’t mean as much as they used to
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Jorr, before today he only threw a 75 pitch sim game.



You have to keep going there.

You want to see great performances, right? The way pitching is managed now has virtually eliminated half the great performances in the game. To a point where we're supposed to believe five innings and 10 strikeouts is great. It sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball is dead
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Go to bed grandpa. Baseball will be ok.



Don't get salty just because the Cubs don't have any pitchers who can go more than four innings.

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pittmike wrote:
Jorr, before today he only threw a 75 pitch sim game.



You have to keep going there.

You want to see great performances, right? The way pitching is managed now has virtually eliminated half the great performances in the game. To a point where we're supposed to believe five innings and 10 strikeouts is great. It sucks.

my favorite statlines from the early-mid 00s were oliver "ol dirty" perez coming in for like 4.2IP 4H 6ER 5BB 9K. it would just amaze me how a guy could literally strike out two guys an inning but still suck so bad. tho he did have one pretty good year with the mets.

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I've gotten used to it. If it could happen in the World Series, it can happen anytime.

Plus they got rid of pitchers hitting, which is a plus.

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Did we ever figure out if grandpa "Red" Jorr is asleep yet or not?

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Jack McDowell wrote:
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if you want to know REAL TRUTH about pitching and not BS predetermining metric pitch counting here it is. Anyone who has actually pitched knows this truth. When you throw a quality game where you are repeating your mechanics very well you can throw 150 or more pitches and feel great the next day. But sometimes if the mound is a little different or you’re off balance etc. you could throw 20 pitches and be sore and stiff the next day. It’s NOT about pitch counts so like everything else in this game now PREDETERMINING STUFF IS BS.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Jack McDowell wrote:
SORRY TO KERSHAW
if you want to know REAL TRUTH about pitching and not BS predetermining metric pitch counting here it is. Anyone who has actually pitched knows this truth. When you throw a quality game where you are repeating your mechanics very well you can throw 150 or more pitches and feel great the next day. But sometimes if the mound is a little different or you’re off balance etc. you could throw 20 pitches and be sore and stiff the next day. It’s NOT about pitch counts so like everything else in this game now PREDETERMINING STUFF IS BS.

Jack McDowell's baseball opinion is meaningless. Matt Spiegel is the go to baseball guy in Chicago.
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Nomination supported, fuck this.

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I'm with JORR on this one. The nerds are ruining the game. I will say this - if he was experiencing discomfort and wanted out of the game that's one thing, but if they pulled him because of some predetermined pitch limit regardless of whether he was feeling great, fucking lame.
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Publicly Kershaw seemed fine with it. He listed a number of reasons why he should've been pulled.

While I don't really like it, I'm certainly not going to side with a late season fade artist like Black Jack.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball is dead
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I hate it. At least send him out for the 8th to try. No starter should leave a game untouched.

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It's Kershaw and the Dodgers, so I don't care much either way...
what I will say is if I'm Kershaw....and I'm a "Competitor" like all professional athletes like to claim they are....I'm telling the manager sit the fuck back down and give me the ball to finish the game. He didn't do that. Either 1) He's soft 2) He was not feeling smooth and locked in as described by McDowell

I'm going with #1.

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BigW72 wrote:
It's Kershaw and the Dodgers, so I don't care much either way...
what I will say is if I'm Kershaw....and I'm a "Competitor" like all professional athletes like to claim they are....I'm telling the manager sit the fuck back down and give me the ball to finish the game. He didn't do that. Either 1) He's soft 2) He was not feeling smooth and locked in as described by McDowell

I'm going with #1.

Have you picked out the clouds that you and MANY here will be yelling at this morning?

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BigW72 wrote:
It's Kershaw and the Dodgers, so I don't care much either way...
what I will say is if I'm Kershaw....and I'm a "Competitor" like all professional athletes like to claim they are....I'm telling the manager sit the fuck back down and give me the ball to finish the game. He didn't do that. Either 1) He's soft 2) He was not feeling smooth and locked in as described by McDowell

I'm going with #1.

Have you picked out the clouds that you and MANY here will be yelling at this morning?

:D

Nah....just the kids going to the bus stop to get off my lawn :lol:

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Kershaw at one time I'm sure cared if he was pulled early. He probably doesn't care anymore. Even if he had a contrary opinion he knows he can't speak freely so not to offend anyone. Anyone who is tied to a team has to avoid disagreeing, and speak "great guy" talk. Too many bad guys waiting to pounce if you talk the truth.
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I was at a AAA Durham Bulls game about six or seven years ago where the manager pulled the starter with one out in the bottom of the ninth while in the midst of a no hitter. There are some considerations that are more important than picking up these achievements which are ultimately meaningless. Kershaw is a Hall of Fame pitcher. He doesn't need a perfect game to burnish his resume or feel good about himself. On the other hand, if it's Philip Humber out there, maybe you let him see it through.
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vitoscotti wrote:
Kershaw at one time I'm sure cared if he was pulled early. He probably doesn't care anymore. Even if he had a contrary opinion he knows he can't speak freely so not to offend anyone. Anyone who is tied to a team has to avoid disagreeing, and speak "great guy" talk. Too many bad guys waiting to pounce if you talk the truth.

I’m sure he didn’t care at all about being pulled from a perfect game.
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vitoscotti wrote:
Kershaw at one time I'm sure cared if he was pulled early. He probably doesn't care anymore. Even if he had a contrary opinion he knows he can't speak freely so not to offend anyone. Anyone who is tied to a team has to avoid disagreeing, and speak "great guy" talk. Too many bad guys waiting to pounce if you talk the truth.

I’m sure he didn’t care at all about being pulled from a perfect game.

He's made around $275 million. I don't think he'll lose any sleep over it.
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vitoscotti wrote:
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vitoscotti wrote:
Kershaw at one time I'm sure cared if he was pulled early. He probably doesn't care anymore. Even if he had a contrary opinion he knows he can't speak freely so not to offend anyone. Anyone who is tied to a team has to avoid disagreeing, and speak "great guy" talk. Too many bad guys waiting to pounce if you talk the truth.

I’m sure he didn’t care at all about being pulled from a perfect game.

He's made around $275 million. I don't think he'll lose any sleep over it.



Then why is he still playing? Isn't $275 million enough?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kershaw pulled from perfect game after 80 pitches.



"Re: Baseball is dead"

yep

unbelievable

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Joe Maddon with his bullshit in the 2016 playoffs and WS ruined the fuckin game.

Not trusting anyone but Jon Lester even though we had great pitching up and down.

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