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Yes, Kwesi...please help your division rivals trade up and get the WR's that they need....what a disaster.

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You're welcome! Maybe we can find a way to help the Bears out as well tonight. Why not make the entire division better.

Actually the Packers paid a steep price so you may end up happy on down the road. Probably not next year though.


I don't any faith that he knows what he's doing at this point. Let's see if he even keeps the picks that GB traded to us. I could see him continuing to trade down. This from a team that said it was competing for the playoffs this coming season. It sure is a funny way of doing it.

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I like Booth. Not sure on all the trades to get to this point though.

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WTF...Ingram, a guard at 59 who wasn't below 100 on any draft board.

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Not to mention that he's over 23 years old and the below...So much for character being a focus.


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I refused to put Ed Ingram in a draftable place on my board because he has a Sexual Assault on a Minor charge that took him out of the LSU program for a year. As it involves a minor, details surrounding the case are sealed, so we'll never know them.



Come on Vikings...ugh

espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24438504/suspended-lsu-tigers-guard-ed-ingram-arrested-2-counts-aggravated-sexual-assault


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Vikings co-director of player personnel Jamaal Stephenson on the 2018 arrest of second-round pick Ed Ingram involving sexual assault of a minor: "It’s a serious charge and something we have investigated. We have vetted him and feel good about where we are."

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Brian Asamoah LB from Oklahoma at 66...I like this pick.

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I'm not sure if it's arrogance or ignorance, but the Vikings taking a player who had sexual abuse allegations after their history of having players with those issues, not to mention the infamous party boat on Lake Minnetonka is an unforced error. You could take any other 3rd round guard and not lose much. This on top of trading with the Lions and Packers makes me think that the moment is too big for Kwesi...regardless of what might be an otherwise a good draft.

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 Post subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings
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nice guys dont usually win.

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nice guys dont usually win.


Not sure this guy is good enough to make it worthwhile.

Also..

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Kwesi Adofo-Mensah is up to five trades in his first draft as the Vikings' GM, and the fourth round just started.

I don't know this for sure, but I have to imagine that's the most any team has made during this draft.

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Analytics...I guess.... :shock:

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#Vikings made trade No. 6, working another deal with the Raiders to move back from 126 to 165. They also got pick No. 169 in the deal.

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Picked up another CB at 118. Evans out of Mizzou...6'2" 200lbs

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Edge rusher from Gophers and HB from Tar Heels. We'll see if they even make the team.


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At No. 169, the #Vikings selected North Carolina RB Ty Chandler, whose 4.38 speed at the combine was third-best among running backs.

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Not a fan of the pick.

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#Vikings are taking Illinois tackle Vederian Lowe with the 184th overall pick.


Much more of a fan of the person after reading this.

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Vederian Lowe was a semifinalist for the 2021 Jason Witten Collegiate Man of the Year Award. He is married with two sons and also took on guardianship of his teenage brother after their mother died unexpectedly.

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#Vikings are taking Michigan State receiver Jalen Nailor with the 191st overall pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings
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I'll give the Vikings draft a B-. Hard to say on the UDFA, but I like the mix of positions. Finally, I don't need to hear from the GM until next year's draft....all the comments of 'being happier making a trade versus being less happy' are too new age for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings
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Worst grade of any team.

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GRADE: D–

Round 1, Pick 32 (from L.A. Rams via Detroit): Lewis Cine, S, Georgia
Round 2, Pick 42 (from Washington via Indianapolis): Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson
Round 2, Pick 59 (from Green Bay): Ed Ingram, G, LSU
Round 3, Pick 66 (from Detroit): Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma
Round 4, Pick 118 (from Cleveland): Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri
Round 5, Pick 165 (from Las Vegas): Esezi Otomewo, DE, Minnesota
Round 5, Pick 169 (from Tennessee via Las Vegas): Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina
Round 6, Pick 184 (from N.Y. Jets): Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois
Round 6, Pick 191 (from Baltimore via Kansas City): Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State
Round 7, Pick 227 (from Carolina): Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina
ANALYSIS: I usually make it a point not to give F’s because I feel like this reflects negatively on collegiate players who have no control over their destination and less on the executives who are making the picks. We spent a lot of time rightfully hearing about Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, who comes to Minnesota with great promise as the kind of executive who can finally bridge the gap between analytics and personnel. But for a team with a few pronounced needs, it’s hard to stomach dropping from pick No. 12 to pick No. 32 and not netting more of a return. There were a handful of premium players remaining in the first round at the time of Minnesota’s first selection, and instead they dropped back and replenished the secondary with a handful of players who may be slightly less talented than the ones they could have gotten if they remained at 12. Booth is a gem in this class and feels a little underrated. While the physicality he flashed in college was against ACC wide receivers, he has the hand-fighting skills that should translate quickly in the NFC North against some physical pass catchers.

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Wait a year until Raiders have to cut multiple 2022 draft picks for legal/personal conduct issues.


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Wait a year until Raiders have to cut multiple 2022 draft picks for legal/personal conduct issues.


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 Post subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings
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Minnesota Vikings: C
Best Pick: Third-round linebacker Brian Asamoah was the captain of my Better-Than team for a reason. He is a run-and-chase linebacker in the mold of Lavonte David.

Worst Pick: Why did they take third-round guard Ed Ingram? They have Wyatt Davis, who was picked last year. The pick makes no sense.

The Skinny: New general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah moved up and down the board, but in the end was it really good maneuvering? They took Lewis Cine in the first round, a player I like, but I didn't love the rest of their draft, other than Asamoah.

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Diversity Bob....


Vikes plays the Saints in London in week 4. Should be a good one.

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Rumor has the Vikings playing the Giants in week 1 and at Philly on Monday night football in week 2.

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Kwesi getting shredded by national media and his colleagues in NFL management.

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Kwesi getting shredded by national media and his colleagues in NFL management.


He's been bad.

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He's been bad.


Agree. I liked the players they drafted, but they got too little in return for moving down 20 spots in round 1. They made additional questionable trades as well. Kwesi benefits from having a solid offensive roster left by the previous GM.

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Vikings and the final 2022 first-round pick Lewis Cine reached agreement on a four-year, fully-guaranteed $11,494,155 deal, per his agency
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. NFLPA has been pushing for final first-round picks to get fully guaranteed deals - process now underway.

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Patriots at Vikings Thanksgiving night...gobble, gobble.

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Vikings 2022 Prediction 7-10

Week 1: Green Bay Packers (9/11, 3:25 p.m., FOX) Loss
Week 2: at Philadelphia Eagles (9/19, 7:30 p.m., ABC) Loss
Week 3: Detroit Lions (9/25, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Win
Week 4: at New Orleans Saints (in London) (10/2, 8:30 a.m., NFL Network) Loss
Week 5: Chicago Bears (10/9, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Win
Week 6: at Miami Dolphins (10/16, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Loss
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Arizona Cardinals (10/30, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Win
Week 9: at Washington Commanders (11/6, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Win
Week 10: at Buffalo Bills (11/13, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Loss
Week 11: Dallas Cowboys (11/20, 3:25 p.m., FOX) Loss
Week 12: New England Patriots (11/24, 7:20 p.m., NBC) Win
Week 13: New York Jets (12/4, 12:00 p.m., CBS) Win
Week 14: at Detroit Lions (12/11, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Loss
Week 15: Indianapolis Colts (12/17 or 12/18, time and channel TBD) Loss
Week 16: New York Giants (12/24, 12:00 p.m., FOX) Win
Week 17: at Green Bay Packers (1/1, 3:25 p.m., CBS) Loss
Week 18: at Chicago Bears (1/7 or 1/8, time and channel TBD) Loss

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I think they beat the Pack on opening night

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Maybe. I guess catching them before Rodgers develops a ton of chemistry with new WR is their best chance.

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From Peter King

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A Vikings Gambit

Shame on me for not writing about this in the last two columns, but I wanted to get to it while it still matters. I think one of the most interesting things that happened in the draft was a rookie GM—with a team that’s a sneaky threat to go deep into the playoffs—trading in the first round with a team in his own division, then trading in the second round with another team in his division. And both of those division rivals picked receivers who could haunt the Vikings.

So why do I think Kwesi Adofo-Mensah did the right thing for his franchise? It’s arguable that one day he’ll regret trading down from 12th overall to 32nd with Detroit, allowing the Lions to pick Alabama receiver Jameson Williams. It’s arguable, but probably to a lesser degree, that he’ll regret trading down with Green Bay at 34 and handing the Packers wideout Christian Watson.

It comes down to this: The Vikings started the draft with two picks in the top 70. By the time day two was over, they’d made four picks in the top 70. And they were able to, in Adofo-Mensah’s words, “do more about the basket of problems we were trying to solve” than if they’d sat at 12 and picked, for example, Notre Dame safety Kyle Hamilton. Going down to 32, they got Georgia safety Lewis Cine, then picked Clemson corner Andrew Booth Jr., at 42, LSU guard Ed Ingram at 59 and Oklahoma linebacker Brian Asamoah at 66.

But Adofo-Mensah knows his first draft, and his rep locally, will be attached in part to Jameson Williams and Christian Watson.

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As Adofo-Mensah said Friday, “I don’t know you’re not supposed to trade within the division, but I think you need to be delicate about it. It’s an uncomfortable position. I don’t think I would trade Justin Jefferson in the division. But a draft pick is an uncertain thing. You’re getting something back that is also uncertain. With Detroit, all else being equal and I had similar value somewhere else, I’d deal somewhere else. But that was our best option, we pulled the trigger, and I’m happy with what we did.

“I’m not dumb. I know every touchdown catch [Williams] scores against us, TV will show me or show my name. That’s life. If my feelings are going to get in the way of us making decisions to improve the team, I shouldn’t be in this seat. I made the decision because I’m in charge, but it’s more fair to say WE made the decision as an organization. The [draft] room was behind what we were doing … Detroit had [picks] 32 and 34, and we were targeting those picks for specific reasons.”

So 32 was Cine, a highly regarded player at a need position. At 34, Adofo-Mensah said he probably would have taken Booth, the Clemson corner, but then the Packers called, offering 53 and 59 for the 34th pick.

Did Adofo-Mensah want to give Green Bay a fleet receiver with size? No. “You’re a little terrified that Aaron Rodgers is gonna get that player, but it was actually the easier decision of the two,” Adofo-Mensah said. “You knew specifically what Green Bay was doing. They’re trying to be good this year. There was a different calculus to that conversation. But what we knew was, if Green Bay called any team after us and offered that deal, they’d have fallen all over themselves to take it. So Green Bay would have gotten the same player, and we wouldn’t have gotten the assets for it. If I didn’t do it, it’d just have been about saving face with the media.”

The Vikings took the 53rd pick and moved back up 11 spots in a trade with Indianapolis to get Booth at 42. Then Adofo-Mensah filled two other holes, guard and linebacker, at 59 and 66.

The math says Minnesota started the day with 12 and 47 and, with other picks being involved, turned those into four need players at 32, 42, 59 and 66.

Adofo-Mensah is happy, even if some of his fans are not. He said after the draft, he went to a Twins game and at a bar afterward, a couple of fans said, “How’d you trade with Green Bay?!”

Maybe Adofo-Mensah should have just sat where he was and taken, say, Kyle Hamilton and Ed Ingram. This is just me, but knowing what I know and the alternatives the new GM had, I’d have been disappointed if he just sat and picked. Williams could turn out to be a great receiver and he could torment the Vikings, but if three of those four players become valued starters over the next four to five years, it’s a win for Minnesota.

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