Eye contact would be the least of my concerns.

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Why?

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You know me like that.

While some of the stories are funny, sometimes I think the threads about sex and women are sad.

Well I didn't say anything about women to be fair.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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Well, from my side, it was never my idea. And, in theory, it was a story about sex and men and women and everybody was good with it.

It was just a different thing. It wasn't my thing but I was 23, if it happened, and 50 year-old Dr. Ken didn't go into that lifestyle.

If I did, I'd still have a waterbed and all kinds of lotions and Sex Panther cologne.

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You know me like that.

Stories about empowered and liberated are now bad?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I don't find these types stories to be particularly empowering or liberating for anyone especially women. I think the 60s/70s sexual revolution is the source of a lot of issues between sexes we faced in the 80s/90s and face today, plus the root of women's unhappiness, but that's a separate discussion.

It's fine, I get it. I don't really care but there is a poignantcy I personally feel if that's a word. Girls especially young ones find themselves in a lot of difficult situations with a lot of feelings. Boys just tend to be horny and don't really give a shit. I can't tell you how many times I said You don't really like me you just want to see me naked to some goof telling me he really liked me. You can think the girl was in it to win it, knew what she was doing, wanted you like crazy, you were both drunk, or were empowered or liberated or whatever else we can think of but mutual consent doesn't make it morally correct for either side. She might have loved you and believed a ton of lies you told, she might have been hurt by the asshole before you and trying to make herself feel better, she might have convinced herself that it doesn't matter or if it feels good do it is a great way to go thru life. Who knows? The climate we went thru and are in is telling her it's great and you people just want to get laid! All in good fun.

I think men and women are different and have generally different attitudes and reactions about sexual experiences. The good time one might have had might have resulted in the other feeling regret, guilt, being used or rejected, self contempt that lead to fear of commitment, depression and hurt. I don't see a huge difference between some 16-20 year old and Bill Cosby as mentioned in the other thread if the intention is the same.

I made my fair share of mistakes. I know at least one person that I truly cared about or loved made some of my most personal and intimate moments public, not sure why, I think he thought it made him look good or was funny to share. If he told some dopes on a message board about it now it would crush me just like it did 30 years ago. Whatever, I consented, I was stupid, I learned. It's all good. I hope my daughter and all your daughters never go thru it but they probably will. Time and the human condition doesn't change much and every once an a while I get reminded of it and it sucks.

I don't think those feelings are exclusive to women. I think it just depends on the kind of person you are.

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I get that he has the reputation of an alt-right lunatic because he won't acquiesce to modern gender ideology, but he's making a bunch of accurate observations and obvious points here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6spdAstl34A

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yeah, I wouldn't say that women have cornered the market on emotional complexity.

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A good discussion to have though.

The alleged liberation of women hasn't worked out that way.

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I dunno about that. The instrumentalization of identity politics, which has its roots in second- and third-wave feminism, has allowed women to take control of academia--and the same trend is pretty obvious within the corporate sector as well.

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While I don't really disagree with you, the whiplash reaction to (empty) "faith and religion" by many seems to be worse for society.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I don't think women feel these things nearly as much as you believe that they do. Some do for sure but not most imo. Women are much more in control of themselves and their actions than you would like to believe that they are. It's one of the things which makes them women.

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You can accurately say this about a "twosome" as well, regardless of gender.

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You gleaned that from my post? Good job, Frank. I'm really proud of you.

No that's why I said generally. I do think men are able to ignore those feelings or they are less important than they are to women. I don't think it effects men the same way as it does women. At the very least men don't talk about it as much but I think there is a huge difference in depth of feeling and roles traditionally played. There is a reason that there it is called the women's walk of shame and the man's stride of pride and trek of triumph.

Think what you want. That second statement you made ties into the discussion of is this change in attitude or what has become culturally encouraged or acceptable actually good that I referenced. I'm not sure that it has. You may think it's great.

This thread was created solely for me to ask "what did the two guys think" if someone responded in the affirmative to my initial question. Now it's taken a unfun, moralistic turn. Very sad!

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Well what do the other guys think of that twist?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

And you are free to think what you want. As Women have become more educated and professional they have also tended to feel more "liberated" and independent as well. Some of it may have to do with the "sexual" revolution but some of it might also just have to with them saying to themselves and others that they are simply going to "do them" and screw everyone else (no pun intended") and what they might happen to think about it.

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Your original question was Would you do it if the opportunity arose?

My answer is the opportunity is there. There are tons of ways to invite a 3rd party into a married couple's sex life or be a 3rd party in someone else's although that's probably less common. I have never taken the opportunity to experience this and I'm not sure if it would be worth the risk.

Do you mean the risk of embarrassment for asking/suggesting, the risk of the actual act being awkward, or the risk that you would feel weird afterwards and how it might affect your marriage?

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or the risk you'd like it and turn into a swinger

I'm not sure women are happier or that society is better off though. I'm educated, and would have been in a professional field. Sex is and has always really been at the discretion of women. The thing that changed in the feminist movement was women acting more like men which really isn't feminism at all. I think the sexual revolution was a far better deal for men than women and has had negative consequences.

They are part and parcel of each other.

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She would have to dress different, act different. She'd have to get all kinds of robes and lotions, and a new bedspread and new curtains She'd have to get thick carpeting and weirdo lighting. She'd have to get new friends. She'd have to get orgy friends.

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I think the feminist movement was and is a net plus for society however. And don't think that women are "acting more like men" as much as it's women feeling much freer to express themselves. In whatever ways that they feel most comfortable.

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Ain't no shame in my game. You can find anything you want online and we have a friend that has had a few encounters so it wouldn't be hard to get in on something I don't think. I'd be worried about the affect on my marriage or what I would feel about it. Again I think there is a large emotional connection for women.

Of course it was, in theory.

Men got to do whatever they wanted with virtually no immediate consequences.

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