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Roe is a 14th Amendment case,
Not anymore.


I am watching for the second time Ken Burns “Vietnam War”, hard to watch in a lot of ways.

Regardless, Antioch strikes me as a dipshit that had he been around in 1972 would have been a supporter of the war.


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Have abortions been completely banned in any state? Will abortions be banned entirely in more than 10 states in a year?

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Roe is a 14th Amendment case,
Not anymore.


I am watching for the second time Ken Burns “Vietnam War”, hard to watch in a lot of ways.

Regardless, Antioch strikes me as a dipshit that had he been around in 1972 would have been a supporter of the war.

You’re an idiot so that makes sense.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Roe is a 14th Amendment case,
Not anymore.


I am watching for the second time Ken Burns “Vietnam War”, hard to watch in a lot of ways.

Regardless, Antioch strikes me as a dipshit that had he been around in 1972 would have been a supporter of the war.

You’re an idiot so that makes sense.



I have watched, for enough times, Ken Burns “Civil War”, better to watch in a lot of ways.

Regardless, Antioch strikes me as a dipshit that had he been around in 1864 would have been a supporter of “States Rights”


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Have abortions been completely banned in any state? Will abortions be banned entirely in more than 10 states in a year?


16 states will have bans in place within 30 days; 13 of them based on trigger laws put in place for the day the Court repealed Roe.

Indiana and Nebraska legislatures appear poised to seize the moment and pass bans in special sessions.

Michigan, like Wisconsin, has an old-ass law that completely bans abortion. It's in abeyance currently due to court intervention.

that would be 19 states?

Probably half the states will have banned abortion by year's end. Most all of them will overreach and enact complete bans on the rush of post-Roe repeal giddiness, which few people support. strike while the iron's hot and put the most draconian bans in place now and it'll take years--if ever--before more sober, coterminous with public opinion abortion laws (first 15 weeks + rape/incest is the most popular iteration) can be enacted to replace the complete bans currently being put into law in approaching half the country.


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Ok, it's decided. No federal laws on abortion. The states can do whatever they want. Seems fair.



Roe is a 14th Amendment case, so is Brown vs Board.

Should schools be able to do whatever they want to deny certain minorities a public education?

I'm looking forward to the state's rights people moving to that.

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Ok, it's decided. No federal laws on abortion. The states can do whatever they want. Seems fair.



Roe is a 14th Amendment case, so is Brown vs Board.

Should schools be able to do whatever they want to deny certain minorities a public education?

I'm looking forward to the state's rights people moving to that.


It’s called affirmative action and DEI.

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Have abortions been completely banned in any state? Will abortions be banned entirely in more than 10 states in a year?

37 states

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16 states will have bans in place within 30 days; 13 of them based on trigger laws put in place for the day the Court repealed Roe.

Indiana and Nebraska legislatures appear poised to seize the moment and pass bans in special sessions.

Michigan, like Wisconsin, has an old-ass law that completely bans abortion. It's in abeyance currently due to court intervention.

that would be 19 states?

Probably half the states will have banned abortion by year's end. Most all of them will overreach and enact complete bans on the rush of post-Roe repeal giddiness, which few people support. strike while the iron's hot and put the most draconian bans in place now and it'll take years--if ever--before more sober, coterminous with public opinion abortion laws (first 15 weeks + rape/incest is the most popular iteration) can be enacted to replace the complete bans currently being put into law in approaching half the country.


Where did you get that? I've been finding different stuff and I can't tell what's true. Politico had one that mostly lines up with your info. I think things will change too.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/2 ... e-00037695


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the more i think about this the more i like it. it further divides cities and rural areas. at some point the division will be enough that civil war is declared and we can finally surround and siege all cities like Kiev and flatten those cancer spots.

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Looking forward to the lawmakers in Red states getting caught bringing people to states like Illinois to have abortions the next few years.

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Ok, it's decided. No federal laws on abortion. The states can do whatever they want. Seems fair.



Roe is a 14th Amendment case, so is Brown vs Board.

Should schools be able to do whatever they want to deny certain minorities a public education?

Too bad women won't be able to make an Equal Protection argument anymore. I've been told they are judges, not biologists.

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Have abortions been completely banned in any state? Will abortions be banned entirely in more than 10 states in a year?


16 states will have bans in place within 30 days; 13 of them based on trigger laws put in place for the day the Court repealed Roe.

Indiana and Nebraska legislatures appear poised to seize the moment and pass bans in special sessions.

Michigan, like Wisconsin, has an old-ass law that completely bans abortion. It's in abeyance currently due to court intervention.

that would be 19 states?

Probably half the states will have banned abortion by year's end. Most all of them will overreach and enact complete bans on the rush of post-Roe repeal giddiness, which few people support. strike while the iron's hot and put the most draconian bans in place now and it'll take years--if ever--before more sober, coterminous with public opinion abortion laws (first 15 weeks + rape/incest is the most popular iteration) can be enacted to replace the complete bans currently being put into law in approaching half the country.


Every state currently has some ban on the practice. You can't walk into a clinic in California at 39 weeks and ask them to terminate your pregnancy. No state has passed any legislation to ban abortion altogether. I doubt most red states will completely ban abortion in cases of rape/incest or when the mother's life is at risk.

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im looking forward to the endless articles about rape and incest and infections causing disgusting pregnancies . i get off on twisted shit like that.

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Child support court bout to get a lot busier in red states. Maybe is should move.

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I doubt most red states will completely ban abortion in cases of rape/incest or when the mother's life is at risk.
You are giving those rubes WAY too much credit.

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Every state currently has some ban on the practice. You can't walk into a clinic in California at 39 weeks and ask them to terminate your pregnancy. No state has passed any legislation to ban abortion altogether. I doubt most red states will completely ban abortion in cases of rape/incest or when the mother's life is at risk.


I don't have the faith in CA that you seem to. Colorado is already there. I think it will be banned in someplaces and I think it will be more common than you seem to.


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You are giving those rubes WAY too much credit.


In contrast to a sophisticated tres chic urbanite like yourself? You have much more in common with the rube than even the average suburban country club member here.

What exactly makes them rubes if they ban abortions? Do you feel this is a great and moral practice all of society should be behind no rules or questions asked?


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You are giving those rubes WAY too much credit.


In contrast to a sophisticated tres chic urbanite like yourself? You have much more in common with the rube than even the average suburban country club member here.

What exactly makes them rubes if they ban abortions? Do you feel this is a great and moral practice all of society should be behind no rules or questions asked?


This is a good point. Frank has me scratching my head.

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He has me sighing in exasperation. I'm sure others have reactions to Frank's posts.

There are a lot of people that aren't religious rubes that are against abortion. Some live in Illinois in the Chicagoland area.


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He has me sighing in exasperation. I'm sure others have reactions to Frank's posts.

There are a lot of people that aren't religious rubes that are against abortion. Some live in Illinois in the Chicagoland area.


Well unless I missed signals Frank similar to me has a polish and catholic background from the sw side/burbs. Many catholics in that background might look the other way as I do and people live and let live so to speak. To be loudly pro abortion is his right just unexpected.

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Well unless I missed signals Frank similar to me has a polish and catholic background from the sw side/burbs. Many catholics in that background might look the other way as I do and people live and let live so to speak. To be loudly pro abortion is his right just unexpected.


Sure. Why are the people that don't think like him rubes though? He's opinion is no better than anyone else's and surprises me quite.


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Every state currently has some ban on the practice. You can't walk into a clinic in California at 39 weeks and ask them to terminate your pregnancy. No state has passed any legislation to ban abortion altogether. I doubt most red states will completely ban abortion in cases of rape/incest or when the mother's life is at risk.


I don't have the faith in CA that you seem to. Colorado is already there. I think it will be banned in someplaces and I think it will be more common than you seem to.


Are women just walking into Colorado abortion clinics and asking them to terminate their pregnancies at 39 weeks? What reasons are women giving for these abortions? How many doctors are performing them? What do you think will be more common?

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I have no idea what they are doing. It's not reflected in the statistics at least not yet. Right now there are about 5000 3rd trimester abortions performed a year. More than you would think are not for some dire reason. There is also info coming out on 5 common genetic tests are wrong a lot of the time. Not a little wrong a lot wrong. Likely over half and possibly up to 85%.
https://lozierinstitute.org/the-reality ... rocedures/


There's no way it should be considered as an optional procedure.


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From the information that's out there, the default among couple dozen states slated to enact or who have already enacted bans appears to be a complete ban (except for life of the mother at risk, some might also have rape/incest exceptions, but not all), with some states allowing 6 weeks....6 weeks for a first time teen mom and many others is bout the same as a total ban. Miss a period? Get your ass down to the abortion clinic with a quickness.


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Well unless I missed signals Frank similar to me has a polish and catholic background from the sw side/burbs. Many catholics in that background might look the other way as I do and people live and let live so to speak. To be loudly pro abortion is his right just unexpected.


Sure. Why are the people that don't think like him rubes though? He's opinion is no better than anyone else's and surprises me quite.


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if the state is going to deem abortion illegal, then they should put a lot more money into the foster care system.

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Spaulding you literally said you agree with me, then the very next post you said you were exacerbated by me. I'll give you credit and assume you are drunk, and just not that fucking stupid.

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I have no idea what they are doing. It's not reflected in the statistics at least not yet. Right now there are about 5000 3rd trimester abortions performed a year. More than you would think are not for some dire reason. There is also info coming out on 5 common genetic tests are wrong a lot of the time. Not a little wrong a lot wrong. Likely over half and possibly up to 85%.
https://lozierinstitute.org/the-reality ... rocedures/


There's no way it should be considered as an optional procedure.


If you have no idea what they are doing or why it is being done, how could you have such a strong opinion about how wrong it is? Did you take a look at the data in the link that you posted? If so, do you understand it?

For starters, roughly 93% of all abortions are performed prior to the 14th week of pregnancy. Before a few states changed their abortion laws recently, all but a couple allowed abortions until AT LEAST 22 weeks. By the definition of the link that you shared, virtually all states would have allowed late term abortions. Florida, Georgia, Arizona, and Texas had more of these "late term" abortions,that you oppose, than Colorado.

Here is the data that was reported by the states:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ ... m#T10_down

There are only a few doctors in the entire country that perform abortions after 28 weeks. None are performed just because the mother was evil. Birth defects that were discovered after the 20th week (ultrasound time) is the reason for nearly all post 22 week abortions. As with most abortions, they weren't performed primarily on girls/women under 25 and most were planned pregnancies. Alaska is a state that doesn't have any abortion restrictions and they still had 0 abortions after 21 weeks. That's 301 fewer than Texas.

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