Meant more like a failed background check would have theoretically prevented him from purchasing firearms. How's that in the interest of the businesses that sell guns.

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Its certainly easier to digest when someone just uses a vehicle to kill parade participants.

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Ban cars!

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NRA should establish a "Price of Liberty" scholarship for kids that have both parents killed by guns.

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Great idea. Also a "War on Cars" scholarship for those who have had both parents die in car wrecks.

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This also sounds like a good idea.

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Agreed. The name needs work though. The scholarship needs to highlight to the kid the importance of their parents sacrifice.

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How should we honor the hundreds of thousands that have died for all our rights? Maybe a snarky, blame throwing post?

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Rights are no good if we're dead. Take another COVID shot, put 3 masks and a fishbowl or your head and stay the fuck home!

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Or buys some pressure cookers to make some bombs (like the Boston Marathon bomber). If this attack was in the works for weeks (as reported), he likely would have found some other method if he was unable to buy the gun.

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Sounds like Memorial Day. Another good option.

But you can stop calling my ideas snarky or blame throwing. If we are going to lean in onto the idea that the current gun situation in America is a byproduct of the need to be able to have enough weapons available to protect us from the government then let's just be open about it. Just like cars as JORR pointed out, a lot of people are going to die a year because of them and that's just the cost of doing business. With guns, the positives outweigh the negatives.

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No I don't think I will stop that. Because that's precisely what you were going for. You were trying to be your usual clever sarcastic self and you didn't post a legitimate idea or solution, it was just meant to be snarky. Own it if you're gonna post it.

And for the very last time, please and for the love of God, this isn't about being able to defend yourself against the government. It's about being able to simply defend yourself against whomever may be an aggressor.

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But it would be difficult to find any person or entity more aggressive than the U.S. government.

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Ok. Dude I know you're totally jilted by the US government right now but we can stay productive.

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There is only one solution and it would be an Amendment passed to modify the Second Amendment. It won't happen with our generation as gun violence isn't that much of an issue in terms of deaths. It's not in the top ten. It's high on the list for deaths for kids though.

This may be why you view it as snarky. It's more about acceptance. When my kid came home talking about a "bad guy drill" and how he had to practice hiding in a closet and being silent and acted like it was a completely normal thing like we viewed tornado and fire drills I just accepted that this is just how things have changed and no one wants and real change and even if they did the Constitution as it is written makes it virtually impossible. Even you know none of the stuff that can be done will change anything. I do think the next generation is going to be raised differently on guns and then maybe the sanctity of the Second Amendment won't be the insurmountable hurdle to an Amendment that actually could limit gun violence but that also requires guns to even more deadly.


But, these discussions almost invariably go to the guns being protection from the Government. I mean, it's the whole reason for the "well regulated militia" part.

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Look, whether or not you find it "practical" in 2022, the purpose of the Second Amendment wasn't to ensure you could hunt or even that you could protect yourself from Indians. You know that.

I get that BRick finds it absurd that a bunch of ranchers in Nevada could take on the U.S. Government. (Though that actually happened rather recently: https://nohostagesradio.com/articles/bu ... government ). But is anything more absurd than a bunch of guys with muskets (I keep being told THEY HAD MUSKETS!) taking on the most powerful military and navy on the planet and winning?

There's been plenty of talk on this board and in our politics about eliminating the Senate and/or Electoral College. My contention is that doing so would effectively end the Union. What would that look like? It's hard to say. But the fact that The People have weapons is what would allow that to happen. I guess President Ocasio-Cortez could nuke Texas, but that seems a whole lot less "practical" than a bunch of hillbillies from Montana beating back a division of the same U.S. Army that just got its brains beaten in by goat farmers in Afghanistan. And who knows what side China or Russia would be on? Maybe South Dakota would have its own nuclear support.

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Things haven't changed. The world has always been a dangerous place. I hid under my desk from Russian bombs every Tuesday at 10:30.

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That article was amazing.

But, the government botching a case and losing in court, as they should have, isn't exactly the Bundy militia forcing the government to retreat.

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I'm not sure you can take down the government on your own, JORR. Maybe you can enlist this guy, though. He's got a tank and everything:

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That's exactly the point and it had a major impact on all the kids of your generation who had to deal with the idea that the Russians were going to kill them to the point where you had to practice on how to best survive them. Even now, you see it as a way that Russia is looked at. This does go against your thoughts on Russia only being viewed as a problem since Trump though.

We'll see how the current generation of kids views guns in the constant school shooting era.

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The Bundys did win the standoff with the government though. You could argue that the government had the manpower and firepower to slaughter the Bundys and that's true. But if they had done that, there may have been a lot larger group with even more weapons the next time the Feds stuck their noses into business thousands of miles away from Washington, D.C.

I get that we imagine these things "can't happen here" but they happen all the time all over the world. A bunch of Iranian students hatched a revolution at Alumni Hall right here in Chicago and managed to take out the Shah who was backed by the United States.

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The Soviet Union fell in the early 90s. Russia was a quasi-ally until "Putin helped DRUMPF steal the election from Hillary Clinton."

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They won it through the traditional legal channels though. That's the point.

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But wasn't the Iranian revolution a product of mass protest, not armed insurrection? The government had the superior firepower and lost. So how does a victory by largely unarmed People validate your position on the Second Amendment?

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There is nothing about cars or aircraft in the Constitution. How can we have rights to cars or to wear pajamas on an airplane if these weren't expressly written in a 250 year old document?

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I never said a revolution can't be successful without weapons. It certainly is more difficult though.

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This isn't commentary for or against the second amendment but notwithstanding the example JORR shared there's no way private gun owners are gonna defeat the state if the state really wanted to crush some movement. The only thing that would stop it is people refusing to carry out orders to execute or imprison their own fellow citizens, so some social bonds are needed in addition to an appetite to refuse orders.

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Yeah I don't know man. A third world armed insurgency that's a fraction of the US population stymied the United States armed forces for a decade in Iraq and Afghanistan. If there was a rebellion, they wouldn't know who was and wasn't on which side. They're not waging a traditional war with armies entrenched and fighting across battle Iines.

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For the same reasons we defeated a superpower 250 years ago. We were fighting on a terrain that we were unfamiliar with. That provides a huge advantage to the inferior army. Especially if the superpower is unwilling to use extreme measures to win. Ask Russia what it did to their country.

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