That’s only because we didn’t glass the entire region

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DS, I had the same point Nas did - Afghanistan/Iraq were unfamiliar territories. A civil war/rebellion here means both sides are essentially waging war in their backyards. Also the insurgencies overseas were backed by states, including Pakistan, Iran, KSA, etc., plus private and wealthy supporters. As you know, this would have facilitated increased access to cash, weapons, soldiers, etc. Unless Canada or Mexico wants to do the same over here, this means those going against the state would have nothing but their own private (and limited) collections. Survellienace and spying is also loads easier over here than overseas - everything is basically mapped and leveraging facial recognition would be easier since all our info is basically with the state anyway. Then there's drones and other nextgen weaponry that would be hard to defeat. Interesting discussion to be sure but these are some reasons why I think it would be hard to defeat the state.

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There are a lot more factors than that. Will the military attack American citizens or will it join the rebellion? Will other state actors insert themselves to support the rebels or simply to sow chaos? It's hard to know exactly how something like that would shake out. But I will say it seems like the politicians we have elected and the bureaucrats they have appointed seem to be doing everything possible to find out.

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I think I preempted your first few points in my initial post where I said perhaps the only thing that would even the playing field or give the rebels the upper hand is if state actors/military refuse orders to kill or imprison fellow citizens. So I already agree that insubordination within the military will complicate matters. However, in this hypothetical scenario, if the military is fairly unified, it's hard to see them being defeated in their own territory.

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Some sort of large rebellion in the US is not as unlikely to have success as you would think. Every war in the past gives the hints that are necessary to hinder US forces in our vast land. It is so different from big cities to farmland to the great west to southern swamps and everglades.

Of course the government can squash one thing in one place. If there ever were some way to coordinate especially with "help" foreign or domestic to launch something all over the place it would be really ugly at first then stall. Guerilla stuff then would continue for years.

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We've been over this before. The lack of US armed forces success in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the right to bear arms in the United States and/or Afghanistan. So nothing to do with anything that resembles the second amendment, but absolutely has everything to do with the First Amendment protections for freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc.

How quickly people forget the Bundy family.

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I saw it discussed quickly somewhere in this board mess last few days.

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The federal government not wanting another Waco is the only reason they stood down.

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Like calling Mike Tyson a name, just because he didn't act on it doesn't mean he couldn't.

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If the argument is multiple people having weapons may make law enforcement think twice about pulling the trigger, I'm in complete agreement. It's one of the primary reasons I support constitutional carry. If the belief is some guys with rifles could take on our military, I'm going to have to disagree strongly.

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It would obviously have to be something we currently cannot foresee. Something that would motivate MANY more than some guys and their rifles.

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Sure, but at some point that's self-preservation on behalf of the government. There is a line where the citizenry isn't going to put up with the government declaring war on them and that line is probably closer if the citizenry is armed.

That's why this January 6 crap is a dangerous game. The government should be more concerned about potential food shortages arising from its COVID policy. A hungry mob is an angry mob.

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I can't speak for what America will be like for 1,000 years. Only the Founding Fathers could see centuries into the future.

But any "revolution" will be because the ideas are popular and not because of an armed militia.

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there is also a psychological affect of a volunteer military going to war with its own armed citizens and that effect is different than if they were unarmed.

More likely because The People don't have enough to eat.

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There it is.

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There what is? The government is holding people charged with misdemanors or not charged at all indefinitely. If Russia were doing that you'd have no trouble recognizing them as political prisoners.

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The military wipes out people today using machines you can't see, let alone shoot to disarm out of self defense. How is any private citizen/militia going to top that?

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Yeah, except this wouldn't be foreign soil for our military.

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Well, George Washington and some guys with holes in their boots didn't really beat England. It took France to do that. You just have to hold out until help is on the way. There are plenty of examples of that. It's usually the U.S. backing the rebels. I'm sure there are foreign powers that would love to turn the tables in the hypothetical revolution we're talking about.

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Yeah, a lot of people who’ve used some variation of the phrase “droner-in-chief” seem to be putting a lot of weight in face to face confrontations. The US is positively giddy Ukraine is testing everything out.

Now you're supporting my position that citizens have the right to bear whatever weapons the government has.

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This isn't exactly selling things well when it turns out the guns of our citizens to fight the government are needed to let a foreign power take over instead. That foreign power is China.

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IF a significant number of soldiers ignore orders and join the men with rifles, the rebels still wouldn't have a chance. The technology our military has is far superior to the weapons MANY collect solely for hobby.

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You saying it, or reading it on twitter, doesn't make it so.

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Hypothetically, we would have to be in some depression that the world has never seen for our lazy citizens to fight our government. I can't imagine a China or Russia would be stable enough to give aid to our rebels.

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Probably by getting killed defenselessly on video and then waiting for the tide to turn? Problem is, government will take as long as it takes until there's nothing left but cucks. Isn't that how the ancients did it? Just kill every fighting aged man?

It's a fact though. Because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't change that.

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