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3 Vikings on the list.

13. Jefferson

41. Dalvin Cook

99. Harrison Smith

5 Packers

1 Bear

72. Robert Quinn

Zero Lions


Any list that excludes Roquan is probably bad.


I'm not entirely convinced that Poles plans to re-sign him.

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Prisco's top 100

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pris ... gers-no-2/

3 Vikings on the list.

13. Jefferson

41. Dalvin Cook

99. Harrison Smith

5 Packers

1 Bear

72. Robert Quinn

Zero Lions


Any list that excludes Roquan is probably bad.


I'm not entirely convinced that Poles plans to re-sign him.


I imagine a list like this helps. Roquan eating himself on the injury list as he ages does scare me. You shouldn't have to worry about him for a few years.

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Former Vikings Kyle Rudolph signs with Tampa. I was hoping we'd re-sign him because we are an injury to Irv Smith Jr. away from being awful.

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Compare to the rest of the NFC North:

17. Lions
29. Packers
31. Bears

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Compare to the rest of the NFC North:

17. Lions
29. Packers
31. Bears



Seems pretty accurate

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Very, very early prediction for the 1st round pick of the 2023 draft from Dane Brugler the athletic. 14th selection means 2022 isn't going to be very good.

14. Minnesota Vikings: Kayshon Boutte, WR, LSU
Maybe it is the No. 1 LSU jersey, but you can’t help but see shades of Ja’Marr Chase when watching Boutte, especially on catch-and-run plays. He needs to stay healthy in 2022 after missing the second half of last season, but his playmaking talent is undeniable.

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LFG Vikes...

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The Vikings have gotten their 2022 draft class under contract, just in time for the rookie class to report for camp.

The team announced that cornerback Andrew Booth, Jr. agreed to terms. He was the 42nd overall selection in the draft.

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3rd WR KJ Osborn and backup RB Mattison would be top 5 on the Bears list of playmakers.

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3rd WR KJ Osborn and backup RB Mattison would be top 5 on the Bears list of playmakers.


I agree with that.

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Vikings and Bears each drafted a safety and a corner with their 1st 2 picks in the 2022 draft. It will be fun seeing which duo is better.

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Kwesi needs to check himself before he wrecks himself (and the Vikings). His "I know better than you" attitude could be a disaster.

The way Adofo-Mensah sees it, his background gives him distinct advantages over other GMs that can move the Vikings forward. As he told USA Today, “My worst thing is probably better than their worst thing.

Adofo-Mensah referenced a type of thinking called Bayesian analysis, named after minister and statistician Thomas Bayes. It stems from a complicated equation that defines the probability of a certain event.

It ultimately means that the probability of an event can be determined in concert with knowledge of prior probabilities — that the probability of one event is conditional on the probability of that event given a truth. In the example of the sixth-round pick, we can evaluate it with this question: What is the probability that a rookie is a starting-quality player in the regular season with starting-quality play in a training camp environment given that he was drafted in the sixth round?

That is P (A|B) — the probability of an event (A) given that (B) is true. We need to ask the reverse question, known as P (B|A): What is the probability of B given that A is true? In this case, what is the probability that a sixth-round pick performs like a starting-quality player in a training camp environment who happens to be a starting-quality player in the regular season?

And then we should have some understanding of the individual probabilities: What is the probability that a starting-quality rookie is found in the sixth round? And what is the probability that a starting-quality rookie performs like a starter in training camp?

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Kwesi needs to check himself before he wrecks himself (and the Vikings). His "I know better than you" attitude could be a disaster.

The way Adofo-Mensah sees it, his background gives him distinct advantages over other GMs that can move the Vikings forward. As he told USA Today, “My worst thing is probably better than their worst thing.

Adofo-Mensah referenced a type of thinking called Bayesian analysis, named after minister and statistician Thomas Bayes. It stems from a complicated equation that defines the probability of a certain event.

It ultimately means that the probability of an event can be determined in concert with knowledge of prior probabilities — that the probability of one event is conditional on the probability of that event given a truth. In the example of the sixth-round pick, we can evaluate it with this question: What is the probability that a rookie is a starting-quality player in the regular season with starting-quality play in a training camp environment given that he was drafted in the sixth round?

That is P (A|B) — the probability of an event (A) given that (B) is true. We need to ask the reverse question, known as P (B|A): What is the probability of B given that A is true? In this case, what is the probability that a sixth-round pick performs like a starting-quality player in a training camp environment who happens to be a starting-quality player in the regular season?

And then we should have some understanding of the individual probabilities: What is the probability that a starting-quality rookie is found in the sixth round? And what is the probability that a starting-quality rookie performs like a starter in training camp?


I hate to judge a man by his press conference, but I didn't think much of Kwesi after hearing him speak. He came off as a guy who was essentially a figurehead with no control. Ownership castrated him on the Harbaugh deal. Worse than what happened to Hahn.

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 Post subject: Re: Minnesota Vikings
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Kwesi needs to check himself before he wrecks himself (and the Vikings). His "I know better than you" attitude could be a disaster.

The way Adofo-Mensah sees it, his background gives him distinct advantages over other GMs that can move the Vikings forward. As he told USA Today, “My worst thing is probably better than their worst thing.

Adofo-Mensah referenced a type of thinking called Bayesian analysis, named after minister and statistician Thomas Bayes. It stems from a complicated equation that defines the probability of a certain event.

It ultimately means that the probability of an event can be determined in concert with knowledge of prior probabilities — that the probability of one event is conditional on the probability of that event given a truth. In the example of the sixth-round pick, we can evaluate it with this question: What is the probability that a rookie is a starting-quality player in the regular season with starting-quality play in a training camp environment given that he was drafted in the sixth round?

That is P (A|B) — the probability of an event (A) given that (B) is true. We need to ask the reverse question, known as P (B|A): What is the probability of B given that A is true? In this case, what is the probability that a sixth-round pick performs like a starting-quality player in a training camp environment who happens to be a starting-quality player in the regular season?

And then we should have some understanding of the individual probabilities: What is the probability that a starting-quality rookie is found in the sixth round? And what is the probability that a starting-quality rookie performs like a starter in training camp?


I hate to judge a man by his press conference, but I didn't think much of Kwesi after hearing him speak. He came off as a guy who was essentially a figurehead with no control. Ownership castrated him on the Harbaugh deal. Worse than what happened to Hahn.


I agree. Then the draft was a disaster even though I think we got two quality players. It sounds like someone had to talk Kwesi out of trading the 32nd pick. I'm not too hopeful even though I like the team.

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Kwesi should really just stay quiet at this point.

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Kwesi should really just stay quiet at this point.

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Way to set the tone for the season.

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Kwesi should really just stay quiet at this point.

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WTF would possess you to even consider making that comment as the season opens?

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Kwesi should really just stay quiet at this point.

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WTF would possess you to even consider making that comment as the season opens?


Great question...arrogance on his part maybe? The need to let people know how smart he is? Regardless, Kirk is not the most secure QB around and this will not set well with him.

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Kwesi should really just stay quiet at this point.

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WTF would possess you to even consider making that comment as the season opens?


Great question...arrogance on his part maybe? The need to let people know how smart he is? Regardless, Kirk is not the most secure QB around and this will not set well with him.


Generally tone deaf people don't factor in someone else's emotions while making assessments. They're not familiar with the art of creating an enabling environment for sensitive players while simultaneously making ruthless assessments behind closed doors that won't adversely affect the enabling environment.

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Kwesi should really just stay quiet at this point.

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WTF would possess you to even consider making that comment as the season opens?


Great question...arrogance on his part maybe? The need to let people know how smart he is? Regardless, Kirk is not the most secure QB around and this will not set well with him.


Generally tone deaf people don't factor in someone else's emotions while making assessments. They're not familiar with the art of creating an enabling environment for sensitive players while simultaneously making ruthless assessments behind closed doors that won't adversely affect the enabling environment.


His wife now is telling him to talk less according to Kwesi. Good point about tone deaf people.

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Maybe he just went rogue on ownership. Kirk Cousins isn't a terrible quarterback. He's also not a guy that you pay $30M+ guaranteed annually. At least Kwesi understands that. Vikings ownership clearly doesn't.

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Vikes had little options when it came to moving on from Kirk. I'm betting the new head coach wanted him there instead of say Darnold or whoever else.

Speaking of Kirk, Justin Jefferson mentioned that Kirk doesn't do the summer get togethers ala Fields for example, but spends time with family instead. Jefferson said he understood and he and others worked out together without Kirk.

It's now turned into 'something' within Vikings media and the fanbase. Crazy.

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Would spending a handful of hours in June at a nearby high school hurt his family?

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Would spending a handful of hours in June at a nearby high school hurt his family?


Not sure where he spends his offseason compared to where they were getting together or if family trips were involved. I'm not one to defend Kirk, but you can't argue with the production and his chemistry with his current WR group. To quote Dave Wannstedt, "I think they'll be fine."

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Not sure where he spends his offseason compared to where they were getting together or if family trips were involved. I'm not one to defend Kirk, but you can't argue with the production and his chemistry with his current WR group. To quote Dave Wannstedt, "I think they'll be fine."


I can. Maybe it would be better if he spent more time training in the off-season. Players travel to practice with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and he's not even the starter yet. The Vikings pay him too much for him to ignore his teammates in June.

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How much of that production comes from throwing to catch up to the other team. The problem with Cousins to me is the same problem one might have with guys like Matt Ryan, Cutler, Tannehill, etc: they're not HOF-bound but they're also better than the alternative, so what are you gonna do?

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Actually Ryan might be HOF-bound. Right?

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Kirk's 2021 season , 4,200 yards, 66% completion, 33tds and 7ints....what Bears fan wouldn't take that right now for 2022? And that's regardless of record...Because the bears fan base would be over the moon at those numbers.

Kirk's problem is a tendency to not take open shots with some risk. New coaches are already focusing on that.



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How much of that production comes from throwing to catch up to the other team. The problem with Cousins to me is the same problem one might have with guys like Matt Ryan, Cutler, Tannehill, etc: they're not HOF-bound but they're also better than the alternative, so what are you gonna do?


Cutler sucked. Statistically, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was better

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I'm not a fan of either but I'm picking Cutler if I had to pick one for one game.

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I'm not a fan of either but I'm picking Cutler if I had to pick one for one game.


I won't debate your preference.

I think Cousins is a good quarterback. He would be the best quarterback in Bears history. He's a choke artist and he's wildly overpaid.

Matt Ryan is also a choke artist. I think that MVP gets him into the HoF.

Tannehill is kind of like Jimmy G. He's okay to have, but you won't win because of him.

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