agreed. I'd rather games end in a tie after nine than this putting a runner on second bs

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What's the specific reason it is appalling?

I'm a casual baseball fan who only pays attention to local teams if they are contenders when August rolls around. That said, I just read up on this extra inning base runner rule and I'm disgusted. Maybe I get it during 2020 but why now? If I were a player I'd refuse to go out and act as a runner. It's bullshit. And if I were a manager I'd refuse to comply with the rule and look down upon teams that did. Putting a runner on second to start the inning is what you do when you're six so you can finish the game before supper, not when you're a grown ass man playing in the MLB.

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Remember having seats behind home plate for a Maddux game years ago, you could actually see the way he changed speeds, mixed location, and had the hitters constantly guessing, it looked easy and effortless. Then you watch the high velocity guys that throw almost everything the same speed, it looks like they are killing themselves, they struggle with location, so the miniscule number of smart hitters just lay off the high cheese and force them to find the strike zone, or just wait for them to hang a slider.

Its what they do in youth baseball and high school. It doesn't disgust any of them. NFL's OT rules are even more disgusting.

That's fascinating...almost half a billion dollars spent in 2021 on players who couldn't play. The 2015 numbers seem odd in that there was only one closer who went on the DL?

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You’re also comparing one of the all time greats to random high velocity guys.

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But why does it demand "max effort" on every pitch? How can it be that Giolito and Cease are giving max effort and then abandoning the game to reliever roulette while an old guy like Cueto that the organization doesn't really care about is getting more outs just tossing the kitchen sink up there?

The modern belief that pitchers only "control" strikeouts and walks (and possibly home runs) has forced that situation. A guy who strikes out eight and leaves the game with the lead in the fifth inning in most of his starts is more valued than a guy who strikes out three and leaves the game with the lead in the seventh most of the time. That's fucked up.

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I don't like it either, but I think in theory the reason behind it is to try and save pitching staffs.

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Pitchers need to man up then. Putting a runner who didn't earn the base on a base is blasphemy.

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Football rules are designed to drive viewership numbers up. It's unnatural, just like putting a guy in second to start the inning.

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I don't think it is the pitchers bitching as much it is managers and front office in trying to deal with the roster after a couple of 15 inning games over a 10 game span.

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It’s the dumbest rule in pro sports right now.

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You play for the Brewers. It's the top of the tenth inning. Every batter has earned each hit, earned each walk. Now it's your turn to trot your free riding ass out there to second base just because it's a rule. You didn't earn that base The batter batting you in gets a RBI that's unlike the authentic RBIs of teammates. How do you feel?

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You don't need to convince me, I am just trying to explain the reasoning behind it from a Manager and Front office perspective, I don't like it.

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Aaron Rodgers sucks

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OK, well then insert Kyle Hendricks, or any of the "crafty" 4th/5th starters that used to "eat innings" back in the day, guys that changed speeds, could spot a fastball, worked the strikezone.

Or look at what may be the most overrated Cub pitcher of all time Kerry Wood, never learned to do anything other than throw hard, walked the ballpark or piled up pitch counts, and eventually blew his arm out, or even your guy Kyle Farnsworth, could throw harder than anyone, everything was straight, the same speed, never learned to pitch and had a fairly brief career despite having tons of god given talent, of course rolling in at 4 AM from Rush Street didn't help, but there is a lot more to pitching than just velocity.

Those guys still exist. There’s just a much larger margin of error for guys who need to be pinpoint than there is for guys who can run it up there 100.

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It doesn't have to be Maddux. I remember sitting about 10 rows behind the visitors on deck circle in a game where Esteban Loaiza dominated the Rangers. He went eight shutout innings, I think he only gave up a couple of baserunners. It was awesome to see him baffle the rangers lineup. They didn't stand a chance, and this is back when the Rangers really had a stacked lineup (Blaclock, Texiera, Soriano, etc).

Shingo came in to close it out and seeing him throw essentially lobs up there was also great.

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It comes down to the fascination with the strikeout. Obviously, a strikeout is the "safest" out. It doesn't require anyone to field the ball. But the trade-off is that the "max effort" as addressed above coupled with a lot of pitches to achieve the strikeouts reduces the amount of outs covered by that pitcher.

I understand that the modern philosophy is that we just bring in another guy who can throw 100 mph and then another and another. The problem with that is you almost always find the guy who is having a bad day.

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Bingo Jorr. The fallacy of unloading the bullpen night after night is each new pitcher is at risk of not having it. Plus off speed and breaking pitches normally take a while to get warmed up.

At least you know what the guy on the mound has that day.

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Love how the Score pounds '22 pitcher injuries are due to the shortened spring training. But, turns a blind eye to the near doubling of pitcher injuries from '15 to '21.

Bernstein's baseball data god Tommy Hottovy's Cubs pitching staffs have 3 of his 4 years top 7 IL days.

When Parkins & Spiegel mocked Jack McDowell (after he hung up) on his claiming current training & use increasing pitchers injuries the data proves him right, them wrong.

3 things immediately come to mind from watching today's baseball as opposed to yesteryear.
1. Guys today not really knowing how to execute a bunt. Even "slap hitting" guys
2. Guys of today don't ever really "hit behind the runner" all that much.
3. Overthrowing the cutoff man.

When I watch today's baseball there always seems to be a lot of that happening

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Also, I understand that Dylan Cease isn't as good the third time through a lineup as Dylan Cease the first time. That shouldn't be the question. The real question is, is Dylan Cease better the third time through the lineup than Jimmy Lambert or Jose Ruiz or Joe Kelly is the first time?

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About 90% of sacrifice bunts should not occur. Everyone who understand math knows that. Thus no one learns how to bunt. But then bunts are ordered anyway. Which makes it even worse since the execution is so poor most of the time.

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Shift defenses literally don't know where to go on a bunt is comical. More infielders are colliding on simple grounders.

I have no problem with guys who are capable trying to drop bunts for hits. I believe the batting average on bunts is about .400. It's the free out that is absurd.

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