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The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.


like Rex Chapman


There is a reason that you could immediately cite Rex Chapman too. A guy that has been out the NBA for over 15 years.


well, i could have cited Damon Bailey


Damon Bailey never made the NBA and he also was not known for his "superior Athleticism" either.


well he should have


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Has Rush Limbaugh given his opinion on this yet?

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The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.


like Rex Chapman


There is a reason that you could immediately cite Rex Chapman too. A guy that has been out the NBA for over 15 years.


well, i could have cited Damon Bailey


Damon Bailey never made the NBA and he also was not known for his "superior Athleticism" either.


well he should have


Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out. There have been other guys that were also superior athletically speaking. Bailey was not one of them however.

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Has there ever been a black QB in the NFL that was regarded as being "intelligent" by analysts? Warren Moon?

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I can't recall hearing anything racial used to criticize Mahomes.

I could definitely understand a gripe from Lamar Jackson. Popular tropes have always been thrown around to describe him and his play since he entered the NFL. I was listening to a CBS talk about why he wouldn't give Jackson a new contract. He rattled off a bunch of things that he believed. After a break, he returned with stats proving he was dead wrong. He still didn't change his opinion or modify his thoughts on why he wouldn't resign Jackson.

Kyler Murray has no one to blame but himself and his agent.

There's a different perception of "backyard football" and "street ball". I'm not sure if announcers or talking heads are deliberately doing this. I'm fairly certain MANY front office guys are.

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Racial stereotypes affect the public’s perception of NFL quarterbacks and may, in some cases, become a self-fulfilling prophecy for black athletes, new CU Boulder research shows.

Two recently published studies authored by Patrick Ferrucci, an assistant professor in the College of Media, Communication and Information (CMCI), suggest that unconscious racial bias, propagated in part by sports media, still influences how the public views the quarterback position.

“We are all aware of the stereotypes that are out there in the discourse—it’s almost unavoidable,” said Ferrucci, who co-authored both studies with Edson Tandoc of Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. “In these two studies, we were looking to see if people actually apply them, and the answer is yes.”

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Researcher Patrick Ferrucci talks about how racial stereotypes affect perception of NFL quarterbacks.

Previous research has suggested that certain words and phrases used in sports media often carry implicit racial bias. Black athletes are more likely to be described in terms of natural ability and strength while white players are more likely to be described through the prism of intelligence and effort. Sociological research has also indicated that members of a given group are more likely to think of their own membership as diverse while thinking of other groups as homogenous, a phenomenon known as social identity theory.

In the first study, published in the Howard Journal of Communications, the researchers recruited both white and black college students and asked them to rate paragraphs and photos of either black or white pro quarterbacks based on four stereotypical descriptors: physical strength, natural ability, leadership and intelligence.

While all participants stereotyped both races to some extent, black participants stereotyped both races more strongly, suggesting that stereotypes about black quarterbacks may be so engrained that black players may not believe they are cut out to be a professional quarterback, which could in turn affect how they view and play football starting in adolescence.

Although three of the past four Super Bowls have featured black quarterbacks, the number of black quarterbacks who have thrown 100 passes in a season in the NFL has generally declined since the early 2000s. During the 2015 season—the most recent year covered by the study—only 14 percent of pro quarterbacks who threw a minimum of 100 passes were black, down from a historical high-water mark of 35 percent in 2001.

In the second study, published in the International Journal of Sport Communication, the researchers sampled only white participants from a wider range of ages and education levels and found that the participants assigned stereotypes to short paragraphs and photos describing black quarterbacks but not to white ones, a result consistent with social identity theory. Even when told implicitly that a black quarterback, for example, was exceptionally intelligent, the white participants still did not rate that player as being as intelligent as a similarly-described white quarterback.

The findings from both studies are illuminating on how the public views professional athletes, Ferrucci said, but could also carry implications beyond the football field.

“If we're still stereotyping this way in sports, then it’s probable that we’re stereotyping in real life, too, and that could have far more negative consequences,” Ferrucci said.



This surprises me. It feels like there are significantly more black quarterbacks today than when I was a teenager.

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This surprises me. It feels like there are significantly more black quarterbacks today than when I was a teenager.


There are. And most of the highest paid QBs are black now. Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Prescott, Murray, and Jackson (soon). It's pretty annoying that there is still a discussion about disrespect, and any criticism is deemed to be based in racism.

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This surprises me. It feels like there are significantly more black quarterbacks today than when I was a teenager.

In 2015 the top 10 QB's in passing yards were all white dudes, but Jameis, Russ, Cam, Teddy two gloves, Kap, and Tyrod Taylor had +1k yards. Mariota's on the list too.

2001 had Aaron Brooks 4th in yardage with McNair, McNabb, Slash, Culpepper, Charlie Batch, Tony Banks, and Quincy Carter over 1k yards.

Last year Mahomes was 4th, Dak was 7th, with Kyler, Russ, Teddy, Jackson, Jacoby, Fields, Jameis, and Tyler Huntley over 1k. Tua too. Tyrod had 966.


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This surprises me. It feels like there are significantly more black quarterbacks today than when I was a teenager.


There are. And most of the highest paid QBs are black now. Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Prescott, Murray, and Jackson (soon). It's pretty annoying that there is still a discussion about disrespect, and any criticism is deemed to be based in racism.


Getting an opportunity, having success, and getting paid doesn't mean historical stereotypes about black quarterbacks aren't being used to criticize any of them. The size of your wallet doesn't shield anyone from disrespect. As I said earlier, I believe Lamar Jackson has a legitimate argument.

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Bradshaw couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him the C and the A


And yet he was still afforded the opportunity to "analyze" football for nearly 30 years now.

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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.

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And yet he was still afforded the opportunity to "analyze" football for nearly 30 years now.


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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.


Not really.

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Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Athleticism.

A giant fuck you to most people of color.



Except when a "Person of Color" wants to plant his balls on a white guy's chin as he posterizes him. That's when athleticism is celebrated.

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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.


Not really.



Yeah, really, The vast majority of people don't even know that goof ever played basketball.

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This surprises me. It feels like there are significantly more black quarterbacks today than when I was a teenager.


There are. And most of the highest paid QBs are black now. Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Prescott, Murray, and Jackson (soon). It's pretty annoying that there is still a discussion about disrespect, and any criticism is deemed to be based in racism.


It's not really any criticism as much as it is criticism which promotes stereotypes.

For instance if he were white he'd be lauded for his ability to "improvise", but since he's black the guy uses the term "streetball".

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.


Not really.



Yeah, really, The vast majority of people don't even know that goof ever played basketball.


The vast majority of people (like me) don't even know that posts memes on Twitter.

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And yet he was still afforded the opportunity to "analyze" football for nearly 30 years now.

I’d say his 4 Super Bowl wins did that but maybe Patty will get there one day too.

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Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Athleticism.

A giant fuck you to most people of color.

I heard Mahomes is chronically late.


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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.


Not really.



Yeah, really, The vast majority of people don't even know that goof ever played basketball.


I was shocked to find out he's the same Chapman from the NBA.

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If instead of saying 'streetball', the defensive coordinator would have said that Mahomes makes questionable decisions at times, he would have been shredded for questioning Mahomes intelligence. The lesson here is that no criticism is allowed.

Let's make that sensible criticism and see what happens. What I do know is of all the terms to use "Streetball" is not a good one.

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And yet he was still afforded the opportunity to "analyze" football for nearly 30 years now.

I’d say his 4 Super Bowl wins did that but maybe Patty will get there one day too.

Yeah most people that are dumb often times get paid for their ability to speak.

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This surprises me. It feels like there are significantly more black quarterbacks today than when I was a teenager.


There are. And most of the highest paid QBs are black now. Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Prescott, Murray, and Jackson (soon). It's pretty annoying that there is still a discussion about disrespect, and any criticism is deemed to be based in racism.


Getting an opportunity, having success, and getting paid doesn't mean historical stereotypes about black quarterbacks aren't being used to criticize any of them. The size of your wallet doesn't shield anyone from disrespect. As I said earlier, I believe Lamar Jackson has a legitimate argument.



Agreed.

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Yeah most people that are dumb often times get paid for their ability to speak.
Like gym teachers?

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Yeah most people that are dumb often times get paid for their ability to speak.
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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.


Not really.



Yeah, really, The vast majority of people don't even know that goof ever played basketball.


The vast majority of people (like me) don't even know that posts memes on Twitter.



I have news for you. There are far more people on Twitter than there are watching NBA games.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.


Not really.



Yeah, really, The vast majority of people don't even know that goof ever played basketball.


The vast majority of people (like me) don't even know that posts memes on Twitter.



I have news for you. There are far more people on Twitter than there are watching NBA games.


I have "news" for you. There are "far more people" that are familiar with Rex Chapman the basketball player than there are people who know that he uses Twitter. In fact the MAIN reason that MOST people follow him as a Twitter user is because they know of him as a basketball player. Including you

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Damon Bailey was not a superior athlete. Rex Chapman was and that is why he stood out.


I'm pretty sure he stands out due to posting the most trite liberal memes on Twitter.


Not really.



Yeah, really, The vast majority of people don't even know that goof ever played basketball.


The vast majority of people (like me) don't even know that posts memes on Twitter.



I have news for you. There are far more people on Twitter than there are watching NBA games.


Elon Musk would disagree. :wink:

Seriously, do you know of a lot of people who actively use Twitter? I don't.

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