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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:20 am 
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If Contreras was any kind of difference Maker a team would have made a serious bid. The fact that there wasn't means that the Cubs are once again over valuing their talents. I'm guessing in a year or year and a half we will look back and say it was good we didn't sign Contreras just like we didn't sign baez or Bryant.


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I think it's also apparent that it's hard for a contending team to trade for a starting catcher (barring injury) because their primary role is managing the pitching staff. Contreras is a fine hitter but not known for being a good handler of pitchers. If anything, he seemed to be a negative for some with fragile egos. I would have loved seeing him catch Scherzer...would have had potential for some entertaining fireworks.

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I think it's also apparent that it's hard for a contending team to trade for a starting catcher (barring injury) because their primary role is managing the pitching staff. Contreras is a fine hitter but not known for being a good handler of pitchers. If anything, he seemed to be a negative for some with fragile egos. I would have loved seeing him catch Scherzer...would have had potential for some entertaining fireworks.

Exactly.
Contreras is a decent hitter. He catches and throws well, but his transition to primary catcher and handling pitchers was NOT smooth.

He'd be the best catcher on the Sox, but that's not saying a whole lot. He is no one to give up the farm in a trade.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:06 am 
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Contreras was the main catcher when Cubs rag-tag has-been overworked bullpens had success pre-dh up until last years trade deadline sell off.


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as far as contreras - when the padres and astros dropped out, i think that weakened the cubs' position. we'll see how genuine the 2 week drama of love, standing ovations and tears will be at the negotiating table. happ is having a good season, i was surprised he got an all-star nod - the rest of baseball doesn't rate him. peralta and mancini were wanted as bats, not happ. dodgers taking chance on gallo.

looks as though the mets and rays wanted a free all-star C. they were in no mood to outbid each other. the astros' return to the red sox for vazquez wouldn't equal for contreras.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:22 am 
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Cubs now in last place.

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Cubs bullpen '22 era is 4.07 (20th). Current bullpen post-trades era 4.48 (27th).

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Mark Leiter Jr 5.39
Michael Rucker 6.04

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:06 pm 
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Kudos to LoHo today for not giving Jed Hoyer a pass. Hoyer was on M&H and talked about not giving Contreras away for nothing, and said he knew the market was going to be tight because it's hard to bring in a catcher mid-year and learn a pitching staff. Holmes rightly said that if Hoyer knew that, he should have dealt Contreras in the off season since everyone knew the Cubs were going to blow this year.

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At first blush the handling of Contreras looks bad. But if the rebuild brings waves of talent it'll be a blip on the radar. Yeah if the tank fails it'll be more important. Also once they're good hopefully who's going to be the main catcher of the mid to late 20s. Nobody cares if Ryne Sandbergs Cubs guy he replaced was improperly handled by management. I listened to the transition and thought it was more Score typical consensus agreement. Nobody dare be an independent thinker.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:29 am 
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Hoyer's interview reminded me of Ricketts' famous line, "Theo could build a .500 team in his sleep." Hoyer said he's not interested in building a team that "sneaks into a wild card spot." Evidently he's fine bottoming out completely (like Theo) and wasting seasons that older fans will never get back.

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Catching market was bad. Know someone in Boston who says the media and fans are blasting the Red Sox front office for giving away Vasquez for garbage prospects from Houston. Mets shit themselves at the deadline and made no major movies. Tampa Bay at the end doesn't want to spend anything.


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Tampa Bay at the end doesn't want to spend anything.
Same with the Cubs.

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Tampa Bay at the end doesn't want to spend anything.
Same with the Cubs.


The Chicago Cubs are a fucking embarrassment.

They have substantially more resources than than the Cardinals, and yet over the last 14 years, the Cubs have averaged 10 fewer wins. Since 2009, the Cardinals have not had a single losing season; the Cubs have had seven, and will likely have more in 2023/2024. From 2009-2022, the Cubs won more games than St. Louis in only three years (2016-2018), excluding 2020/Covid. The Cardinals had more wins in the other 10 seasons, often by 20-30 games.

The Cardinals don't bottom out, tank, or have white-flag seasons, whichever phrase you want to use. The Cubs treat the fans like shit and are a goddamn joke. Ricketts, Epstein, and Hoyer can all go fuck themselves.

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1990 was the Cardinals last 90 loss season.
This year probably will be the Cubs 10th in that span.



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Sounds like a sociopath who had some sort of awakening. "My God, stopping the lying WORKS! I'm going to incorporate NOT LYING into all aspects of my life"

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"It started with trying to be really transparent with the players," Epstein said while remembering his early days in baseball on the Bernstein & Goff Show on 670 The Score on Tuesday afternoon. "The more you do that, it's kind of like a drug. You realize it's just easier when you're transparent. You don't have to worry about remembering your lies or your slants or your coverups.

"Then you realize it works with everyone. It works managing up, it works with the media, it works with agents, it works with your fans. It's kind of the best way to do things if you can pull it off.

"Something as simple as transparency is really scalable, because quickly impacts the culture. And the culture is something everyone feels.

"If upper management is really transparent with everyone, that has this amplifying effect. Then you tend to attract players who operate that way, on the same wavelength, and coaches and fans.

"It starts to feed upon itself, because then you can take players in, whether it's maybe a shy kid who just signed here and is new to the country or an introverted high school kid or a college kid who's had some issues in his background, you take a free agent who has a reputation for being a bad guy maybe. You can take anyone and maybe they have a chance to be impacted positively by your culture too."


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A clinic in really smart guy sounding management speak that surely left Danny with an all-day erection.


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I’m not sure how a person can say things like that and not realize how bad it makes them look.

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Paul Sullivan on with Hanley & Zander Sunday. Apparently media was able to walk into the tv booth before games to talk with the tv announncers. As soon as Marquee took over they put up a "do not disturb the announcers" sign and ended the tradition. PS said Len Kaspar didn't like it but it wasn't his call. Is that the transparency the Cubs are always talking about. Still no Chicago print writers on Marquee's "The Reporters" since the censoring incident. Appears the broadcast booth decision started the bad blood.


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Jaw Breaker wrote:

The Chicago Cubs are a fucking embarrassment.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Beautiful!!! :lol:


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They have substantially more resources than than the Cardinals, and yet over the last 14 years, the Cubs have averaged 10 fewer wins. Since 2009, the Cardinals have not had a single losing season; the Cubs have had seven, and will likely have more in 2023/2024. From 2009-2022, the Cubs won more games than St. Louis in only three years (2016-2018), excluding 2020/Covid. The Cardinals had more wins in the other 10 seasons, often by 20-30 games.

The Cardinals don't bottom out, tank, or have white-flag seasons, whichever phrase you want to use. The Cubs treat the fans like shit and are a goddamn joke. Ricketts, Epstein, and Hoyer can all go fuck themselves.


What do u think I've been trying to tell u guys since last year?

That team had playoff talent and was in position to make a run. They just didn't wanna go for it. It was a media driven sell-off. Hoyer learned his lesson that they got shit for those players, and smartly didn't trade his good players this year just because the media wanted it.

It's all a joke.

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A clinic in really smart guy sounding management speak that surely left Danny with an all-day erection.

THIS.
That was a whole lot of gibberish amounting to nothing.

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A clinic in really smart guy sounding management speak that surely left Danny with an all-day erection.


Literary Blew Chew.

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Franmil Reyes went from 30 home runs in 115 games last year to designated for assignment by Cleveland a few days ago to the Cubs via waiver claim on Monday.F

The move represents a roughly $1.5 million (for now) flyer on a 27-year-old slugger with a .478 career slugging percentage and two 30-homer seasons in the last two full MLB seasons, who has slumped miserably this year.

Reyes, a designated hitter and corner outfielder, was optioned to Triple-A last week after hitting just .213 with nine homers in 263 at-bats this season (104 strikeouts). Making $4.5 million this season with another year of arbitration eligibility, he was DFA'd soon after.

Cleveland manager Terry Francona told reporters at the time that the move allowed younger players to get the chance to play and would allow Reyes to catch on with another team via waivers.

"Franmil wasn't getting to the fastballs, and the breaking balls he hit were going for singles," Francona said. "There weren't many home runs. It was tough. It was difficult."

If Reyes, who had a career-high .846 OPS last year, isn't hitting for power he has little baseball value. When he does, he justifies the cleanup spot in the lineup he occupied for Cleveland entering this season.

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Franmil Reyes went from 30 home runs in 115 games last year to designated for assignment by Cleveland a few days ago to the Cubs via waiver claim on Monday.F

The move represents a roughly $1.5 million (for now) flyer on a 27-year-old slugger with a .478 career slugging percentage and two 30-homer seasons in the last two full MLB seasons, who has slumped miserably this year.



Reyes, a designated hitter and corner outfielder, was optioned to Triple-A last week after hitting just .213 with nine homers in 263 at-bats this season (104 strikeouts). Making $4.5 million this season with another year of arbitration eligibility, he was DFA'd soon after.

Cleveland manager Terry Francona told reporters at the time that the move allowed younger players to get the chance to play and would allow Reyes to catch on with another team via waivers.

"Franmil wasn't getting to the fastballs, and the breaking balls he hit were going for singles," Francona said. "There weren't many home runs. It was tough. It was difficult."

If Reyes, who had a career-high .846 OPS last year, isn't hitting for power he has little baseball value. When he does, he justifies the cleanup spot in the lineup he occupied for Cleveland entering this season.



Decent pickup by the Flubs. Surprised Washington didn't grab him.


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Franmil Reyes 37% SO % in ''22. Francona refreshingly threw him under the bus describing his hitting woes.


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