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I've been saying for the past several months that Poles doesn't want to re-sign Roquan. Apparently he agrees:


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This is a preview of what 2023 will look like for Justin Fields unless he significantly elevates his game in 2022. But I suspect that Poles has already made his decision about Fields.

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notes app..... you know things are serious when it's a notes app tweet.

not great, but if you can get a first plus from some bad organization that wouldnt be the end of the world for a team that likely isnt competing for 2+ years


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notes app..... you know things are serious when it's a notes app tweet.

not great, but if you can get a first plus from some bad organization that wouldnt be the end of the world for a team that likely isnt competing for 2+ years


If Poles can get a first and a second or third for Roquan, he should make that deal immediately.

We'll see what happens. Smith has to play out his contract and then Poles can tag him after that.

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It will be interesting to see how the fan base comes down with this. Up to now, Poles can do no wrong.

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— The backloaded offer, which wouldn’t make him the highest paid in actual salary, included proposed de-escalators that not a single player out of the 94 non-QB, $15M+ contracts has. He was offended.
— The deal would hurt the LB market as a whole.

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:lol: :lol: They aren't going to get a 1st and 2nd for Smith...


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Poles is a dumbass who botched handling Foles and messed up on a free agent signing. I'm inclined to believe the fallout with Smith is more about Poles being incompetent rather than Poles executing some sort of strategy.

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:lol: :lol: They aren't going to get a 1st and 2nd for Smith...


No, I wouldn't think so. I would imagine a mid- or low first rounder will be the ceiling. Maybe one or two Day 3 picks thrown in.

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They would be lucky if they got a 2nd rounder for him...he plays a non-premium position and Bears have zero leverage.


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It will be interesting to see how the fan base comes down with this. Up to now, Poles can do no wrong.

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More frustrations:
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— The deal would hurt the LB market as a whole.

Up to now Poles can do no wrong?

Have you even read the threads around here? :lol:

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Poles is a dumbass who botched handling Foles and messed up on a free agent signing. I'm inclined to believe the fallout with Smith is more about Poles being incompetent rather than Poles executing some sort of strategy.


He's gutting the roster and likely doesn't like the QB. It wouldn't make sense to pay Roquan record money if he's going to reset the franchise with a new QB next year.

In any event, he doesn't have to do anything about Roquan right now. If Roquan wants to sit, let him. I doubt Poles would even be upset about that since it will help enhance the team's 2023 draft position.

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Did the local reporters get scooped again?

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They would be lucky if they got a 2nd rounder for him...he plays a non-premium position and Bears have zero leverage.


Sure they do. Roquan is under contract and the Bears are tanking.

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Augie wrote:
It will be interesting to see how the fan base comes down with this. Up to now, Poles can do no wrong.

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More frustrations:
— The backloaded offer, which wouldn’t make him the highest paid in actual salary, included proposed de-escalators that not a single player out of the 94 non-QB, $15M+ contracts has. He was offended.
— The deal would hurt the LB market as a whole.

Up to now Poles can do no wrong?

Have you even read the threads around here? :lol:


I'm not talking about the 5 people here that hate Poles, but the hundreds on Twitter who think he's a king and can do no wrong. So far, they are still coming down on Poles side and telling Roquan to get an agent.

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Waiting for Poles to tell Roquan to make a Pro Bowl first before demanding a new contract.

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I don't generally have an issue with Poles approach. However, if he didn't genuinely want to sign him, I would have preferred a trade before the draft.

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Poles is a dumbass who botched handling Foles and messed up on a free agent signing. I'm inclined to believe the fallout with Smith is more about Poles being incompetent rather than Poles executing some sort of strategy.


This.

And when they wind up trading Smith, they're going to get 50 cents on the dollar value because of this public Twitter bullshit.

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It looks like the Bears tried to backdoor him which is smart considering he doesn't have an agent, someone tell this dumbass to hire an ACTUAL agent



Off the ball linebackers aren't worth 20 mil per year anyways


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I don't generally have an issue with Poles approach. However, if he didn't genuinely want to sign him, I would have preferred a trade before the draft.


Agreed. And it seemed clear from the start that Poles wasn't enthusiastic about Roquan.

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It looks like the Bears tried to backdoor him which is smart considering he doesn't have an agent, someone tell this dumbass to hire an ACTUAL agent



Off the ball linebackers aren't worth 20 mil per year anyways


He hasn't really accomplished anything. He stays out of shape (struggles to breathe after every play), had an unknown mental episode a few years ago, and may weigh as much as Lance Briggs does after he signs his contract. He's not a guy who has earned a record breaking contract.

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It looks like the Bears tried to backdoor him which is smart considering he doesn't have an agent, someone tell this dumbass to hire an ACTUAL agent



Off the ball linebackers aren't worth 20 mil per year anyways


He hasn't really accomplished anything. He stays out of shape (struggles to breathe after every play), had an unknown mental episode a few years ago, and may weigh as much as Lance Briggs does after he signs his contract. He's not a guy who has earned a record breaking contract.


I would certainly be reluctant to make him the first key signing of my rebuild if I were Poles.

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He hasn't really accomplished anything. He stays out of shape (struggles to breathe after every play), had an unknown mental episode a few years ago, and may weigh as much as Lance Briggs does after he signs his contract. He's not a guy who has earned a record breaking contract.

He’s a good player but a luxury this team doesn’t need. They should’ve traded him before he publicly made the demand instead of playing games with contract offers.

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He hasn't really accomplished anything. He stays out of shape (struggles to breathe after every play), had an unknown mental episode a few years ago, and may weigh as much as Lance Briggs does after he signs his contract. He's not a guy who has earned a record breaking contract.

He’s a good player but a luxury this team doesn’t need. They should’ve traded him before he publicly made the demand instead of playing games with contract offers.

Yeah this is pretty much where I am on this. He is a good player. But I can see why he is not in the plans moving forward with how Poles has went about this. But it does seem like a misstep that if you are not wanting to sign him then you should have traded him before the draft when his value would have probably been higher.

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He hasn't really accomplished anything. He stays out of shape (struggles to breathe after every play), had an unknown mental episode a few years ago, and may weigh as much as Lance Briggs does after he signs his contract. He's not a guy who has earned a record breaking contract.

He’s a good player but a luxury this team doesn’t need. They should’ve traded him before he publicly made the demand instead of playing games with contract offers.


It is curious as to why Poles didn't trade him before the draft.

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It looks like the Bears tried to backdoor him which is smart considering he doesn't have an agent, someone tell this dumbass to hire an ACTUAL agent



Off the ball linebackers aren't worth 20 mil per year anyways

Reminds me of Jason Goff's contract acumen.

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He mentions not being able to talk to the McCaskey family. Why would they talk to him? That is the GMs job.

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He mentions not being able to talk to the McCaskey family. Why would they talk to him? That is the GMs job.


It means he's at an impasse with Poles

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It is curious as to why Poles didn't trade him before the draft.


Because he's in over his head

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Nas wrote:
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It looks like the Bears tried to backdoor him which is smart considering he doesn't have an agent, someone tell this dumbass to hire an ACTUAL agent



Off the ball linebackers aren't worth 20 mil per year anyways


He hasn't really accomplished anything. He stays out of shape (struggles to breathe after every play), had an unknown mental episode a few years ago, and may weigh as much as Lance Briggs does after he signs his contract. He's not a guy who has earned a record breaking contract.


I would certainly be reluctant to make him the first key signing of my rebuild if I were Poles.


I couldn't agree more...

https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-lb-roqua ... of-chicago

The perception of Smith seems to vary depending on who you ask. He hasn't earned a Pro Bowl selection from the voting populace, but media members holding All-Pro votes haven't shied from recognizing his performance. Pro Football Focus doesn't hold the same opinion on Smith, whom the website sees as a middling defender, based on his best single-season defensive grade finishing at just 67.2.

Chicago seems to be following the same logic with Smith, who is due $9.7 million in the fifth and final year of his rookie contract.

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Nas wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
It looks like the Bears tried to backdoor him which is smart considering he doesn't have an agent, someone tell this dumbass to hire an ACTUAL agent



Off the ball linebackers aren't worth 20 mil per year anyways


He hasn't really accomplished anything. He stays out of shape (struggles to breathe after every play), had an unknown mental episode a few years ago, and may weigh as much as Lance Briggs does after he signs his contract. He's not a guy who has earned a record breaking contract.


I would certainly be reluctant to make him the first key signing of my rebuild if I were Poles.


I couldn't agree more...

https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-lb-roqua ... of-chicago

The perception of Smith seems to vary depending on who you ask. He hasn't earned a Pro Bowl selection from the voting populace, but media members holding All-Pro votes haven't shied from recognizing his performance. Pro Football Focus doesn't hold the same opinion on Smith, whom the website sees as a middling defender, based on his best single-season defensive grade finishing at just 67.2.

Chicago seems to be following the same logic with Smith, who is due $9.7 million in the fifth and final year of his rookie contract.


Even his peers have consistently left him off of the top 100 list. Poles is probably offering him a fair deal, but his opinion of his value is higher than it should be.

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