There's no undercurrent of anything. I say exactly what I mean.

I just understand the position of the Catholic Church. And it's a position held by many other religions and societies across the globe.

I'll say one more time- I'm an atheist. And I don't care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms. But if we're talking about society and how we're all connected to each other- and after the COVID response it's very difficult to suddenly go back to unchecked individualism- then yeah, we all do have an interest in the sexual mores of others.

You're married with at least one kid. I'm sure you and your wife enjoy your sexual relations. But I doubt you would say sex is the centerpiece of your relationship. I assume it's a lot deeper than that. But homosexual relationships are centered on sex and sex alone. Because there is nothing else.
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That's why a float in a Pride parade features sexual themes like Hot Boys in Ass Chaps. If they had a Hetero Parade the float might show you at a desk working on a Motion to Compel while your wife cooks dinner.

Again, I'm not judgmental. I have plenty of gay friends. I hear them talk too. And sure, you can find a gay couple that has been together for fifty years and never had sex within anyone but each other and live almost like you and your wife. But that's an outlier. And you know it.

I'll give you another example. If you cheated on your wife with some hot twenty year old girl, you would be a pariah in your circle of friends. Your closest guy friends may be jealous and give you a high five when you were out drinking, but you would be judged and seen as a "bad guy" who hurt his wife. If a guy in a gay relationship- marriage or otherwise- banged some hot young twink, there would be no such judgment in most cases. In fact, friends of the couple would be like, "Damn, that kid was GOR-GUS! Of course, Bruce had to hit it when he had the chance." And everyone would go on about his business.

That's just the way it is. Human beings are mammals that procreate through sex. Homosexuality isn't normal. Whether it's good for society is also a question and one that became much more pertinent in light of the fact that we allowed COVID to put everyone in everyone else's business.

I said what I meant. There's no undercurrent. Go suck a dick if you want. I won't think less of you. I'll still buy you a drink. And I'll still support you raking RFDC in the Better Call Saul thread.

Yep. But it's not a bigoted opinion. Just ask him and MANY of his supporters here if you REALLY want to know for sure. No doubt they will "clear" it up for ya if you are uncertain of what bigotry looks like. Or Seacrest will show up to tell you that's its YOU that is actually the BIGOT for calling him on it. As Always.

Really? Is there polling for this?

“I’m not judgmental.”

Proceeds to pass judgment on the gheys.

Homosexuality isn't normal. Whether it's good for society is also a question and one that became much more pertinent in light of the fact that we allowed COVID to put everyone in everyone else's business.

I actually disagree with this statement

Yep. But it's not a bigoted opinion. Just ask him and MANY of his supporters here if you REALLY want to know for sure. No doubt they will "clear" it up for ya if you are uncertain of what bigotry looks like. Or Seacrest will show up to tell you that's its YOU that is actually the BIGOT for calling him on it. As Always.

Do we really need polling? Gay relationships, generally speaking, aren't about building families.

This isn't some mystery. Men are designed to spread their seed all over to influence the gene pool as much as possible. I'm not going to spout some crazy conservatism like "sex is something that is done to women" rather than something they enjoy. But there are physical differences between men and women, though it seems that isn't so obvious to MANY these days. So you take women out of the equation and all you're left with is dudes that constantly want to rock off.

I'm not judging anyone. I'll note that neither of you actually disagreed with anything I said.

It's not bigotry, by the way. I've never treated a gay person differently than I would if he were straight. I have a friend who was born with one arm. That's not normal either. I'm not bigoted against him.

But I do understand the position of the Catholic Church on the matter. And why it holds such a position.

Doesn't it ultimately come down to "God says to think this way"?

If so, pretty much any position of the Catholic Church becomes defensible because how do you argue against that even if it's a position you personally would find otherwise indefensible?

Even as a not particularly religious person I'd posit that the Bible is superior to the Constitution. But at the same time it remains of paramount importance to look critically at how each was crafted and by whom. But it seems to me that many cannot accept the latter, but only that both are sacrosanct and that their drafters are infallible. Which imho is nonsensical.