This would seem to be the end of your arguments in here.

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Quintana is a complete failure sure. He is no longer a Cub and no longer on the payroll. Cubs moved on and took the L on the trade. Eloy getting hurt and his salary is negatively effecting his team. Who did they not sign in FA that would have filled his spot? Maybe they sign the left handed power hitter they need that can actually play some defense in left field.

White Sox fans can stroke their ego by saying we won the trade FAR SUPERIOR! Q sucked! A has nothing to do with B except for bragging rights.

My argument was that this was not one of the best trades in White Sox history. Could be in the future , but it is not currently even close.

I don’t think anybody argues the Sox won the trade, but let’s let Jimenez play 140 games once in his life and let Cease have two good seasons before it’s the best trade in club history.

This is accurate.

Year Age Tm Salary SrvTm Sources Notes/Other Sources
2019 22 Chicago White Sox $1,833,333 0.000 contract
2020 23 Chicago White Sox $2,333,333 1.000 contract
2021 24 Chicago White Sox $4,333,334 2.000 contract
2022 25 Chicago White Sox $7,333,333 3.000


Even for JERRY, $7.3million is peanuts. Go jump off a bridge.

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To stay on point, the OP said this was one of the best trades in the 120 year history of MLB. A replacement level pitcher for a couple guys who have never been all stars but have had a couple nice seasons.

I don’t think anybody says the Sox lost that trade. It’s just that at this point it’s an immaterial trade, not one that goes down in Sox lore told to future generations.

I suspect Jimenez gets traded soon since they have a good contract for him. Cease will sign with one of the big spenders.

You guys seem pretty worked up about the difference between "a great trade" and "one of the greatest trades of all time" but I'll allow it.

At this point it is only a great trade.

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Oh, they have to make an All Star game to be worth it. In that case, I'm glad you think Bryan LaHair and Jay Clam were better players than Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease are.

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To be worth being called one of the best trades in MLB history you illiterate moron.

Give it up juschill. These two buffoons will make you want to "jump off a bridge" with their pettiness. It's like arguing with your ex.

It is an insignificant trade in regards to all the trades in White Sox history. Konerko, Contreras, Pods FAR SUPERIOR!

And yet, here you are



This trade is definitely one of the better trades in Sox history, and chill has agreed as much.

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You seem to be arguing with yourself here.

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At this point it’s on the level of the Baines trade for Sosa/Alvarez.

It’s not up there with the Konerko trade, the Cruz/Bernazard trade, or the Podsednik trade yet.

I said when the deal was made, that I hated the deal more because Cease was in the deal. I saw him as a top of the rotation guy. Jimenez is a great bat, but back then, there was no DH in the NL and he was a poor outfielder. At the time, the Cubs had a glut of outfielders, so had the deal been just Quintana for Jimenez, I would have been fine with it, even though I saw Quintana as nothing more than a #3 starter. Terrible deal by Theo to include Cease.

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Go Cubs!!!!

The Podesdnik trade was terrible. It worked out and they won a World Series, but trading Carlos Lee for Scott Podesednik wasn't a good deal for the White Sox.

Podsednik is a career 88 OPS+ guy while Lee is 113.

Even Podesednik's impact on 2005 is overrated. He got caught stealing nearly 30% of the time. He only scored 80 runs and he drove in only 25. 25!

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Pods had a great first half for the 2005 Sox. They don't get out to the giant division lead without him at the top of the lineup every game. He got hurt after the AS game and was rarely the same player after.

You have to look at that deal in context. It may not have been the best trade when you look at the stats between Lee, Pods, and Vizcaino, but at the time the Sox hadn't won anything with Valintin, Lee, Mags, etc, so it was fine to go in a new direction.

Also, El Caballo never hit a HR in the World Series

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As far as I was concerned, Pods was the MVP in the 2005 playoff run.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

How could you of seen him as a top of the rotation starter when everyone else say him as a 2 pitch pitcher debating if he was a bullpen guy? He made the step in the right direction in the Sox system.

He'd be right behind Willie Harris if I were ranking them.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Without that guy, they don't make the playoffs.

Yeah, this is a rough take JORR.
Of course you cannot compare Pods v #45 individually. It's not even close, #45 had a far superior career.

Still...the White Sox do not win the 2005 World Series without Scott Podsednik. It doesn't fucking happen.

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I get that that's the conventional wisdom. But I'm pretty confident a lot of guys could have scored 80 runs and driven in 25 batting leadoff on that team. The numbers just don't bear out the "greatness" of his 2005 season.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You and Seacrest should take me off ignore if you want to learning something on a daily fucking basis.

2005 1st half / 74 games
.294 avg
.369 OBP
44 SB, 9 CS 79.5% success rate
50 R

14 of his 23 CS in 2005 came after the AS Break/DL stint.


It hurts being this good.

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The 2005 White Sox hit 200 home runs. Scott Podsednik hit zero. The offense was NOT reliant upon his negative stolen base percentage.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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The 2004 White Sox hit 242 home runs. Carlos Lee hit 31 of them.
The 2003 White Sox hit 220 home runs. Carlos Lee hit 31 of them.

Carlos Lee hit zero post season home runs. Those years. In fact, Carlos Lee hit zero post season runs during his entire MLB career.

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That was one that counted. But I put it in the same category as Pablo Ozuna stealing home and Willie Harris scoring the game winner. Pods is the most overrated player in White Sox history. I stand by that.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Could I offer you some bacon?

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