It's not just about passing a test. The physicians could overrule the test results if they suspect his injury was neurological.

Again, one of the reasons the protocols were put in place was to protect the players from themselves. The Dolphins and NFL had more than enough information to "No Go" him against Buffalo.

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It's easy to say he shouldn't have played now that he got another but I also think it's tough to go against the wishes of the player especially when he claims he didn't even have a head injury who reported no symptoms and passed all the standardized tests because he looked wobbly right after a hit.

That's why I go back to the question of when doctors should have let him play.

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Everyone was suspicious of him entering back into the last game, regardless of him claiming to be OK. This isn't hindsight like Brick is suggesting, many people criticized the Dolphins before the game even kicked off last night. The doctors and team leadership absolutely should be able to keep him from playing as a precaution.

Brick, we saw him stumble multiple times and fall. We saw him repeatedly trying to shake off the "fog" while walking to the locker room on Sunday. This isn't hindsight. He should not have been allowed to play. Based solely on overwhelming visual evidence. The league gives them the discretion to overrule the test results.

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There is no doubt they could have held him out.

The question is should they when a player is claiming he didn't even hurt his head, has no symptoms, and passes all cognitive tests, and wants to play. The player does have some blame in this.

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Then he would be seen as "soft" and not a leader.

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For how long?

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There have been plenty of players who missed a week with a concussion because they "still had a headache". Maybe Tua really didn't have a headache though.

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well Rick a good start would have been to take him out of the Buffalo game when he clearly had his brains scrambled and then not rushing him back into action 4 days later, and in the meantime allow some neurological specialists observe and test him for that extra week to make sure he was OK. But since Tua said he was fine and wanted to play, there was nothing more that could be done, he HAD to play.

For that game and whatever the normal time it takes to get through the protocol after a game.

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I think you'll see the protocol change because of this but he did pass the protocol already which includes things he can't lie about.

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I was listening to the players talk after the game, MANY of them pass the protocol tests and are still held out. One guy had a teammate object to him playing.

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I think the doctor/team personnel that allowed him back on the field Sunday and allowed him to play last night on a short week need the cognitive testing. "But he said he felt fine!!!"

Automatic miss next game when concussed even if you pass protocol, no more Thursday night games. Fixed everything, carry on.

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No reason to even have the protocol then. You look like you may have hurt your head, you miss the rest of that game and the next game.

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I enjoy the Thanksgiving Thursday games, but give those teams a bye the week before. There is enough evidence from the last few years that Thursday NFL is less than healthy for players on short rest. Leave Thursdays for College...move MACtion to Thursdays.

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There is no need to go through some arbitrary extreme to absolve the physicians of their failures. This was a clear case of a player having a neurological injury. I don't believe any of us have ever seen an athlete outside of a boxing ring react the way Tua did on Sunday.

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Some of what you say does raise valid questions about how much agency a player has in the situation.

That said, the how long question should be looked at in terms of error. The how long should be governed by a principle of, or similar to, we would rather err 100% of the time in bringing a brain injury player back too late as opposed to too soon. You'd err on the side of being a week late, rather than risk being a week too soon.

Like it's incredible that four days later the Dolphins had Tua in an NFL game. Even if you're 95% sure he had no concussion, 4 days is just grossly negligent.

It may not seem like it but I'm not absolving the NFL or the Dolphins for him playing either. I'm just saying the player also has a responsibility in this especially when he is the one who will deal with any long term consequences.

I just find it hard to believe that the NFL could just say "You aren't playing" to a guy who is claiming he didn't even hurt his head and instead he hurt his back who was passing all the standardized cognitive tests and reported no symptoms of any kind.

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According to the former players on Prime, this happens all the time. The former Rams lineman said his teammate stepped in once. Why are a lot of concussed players able to pass this cognitive test?

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The symptoms were out in the open for anyone to see, he didn't need to report anything. its gross negligence. It was one of the more glaring "you aren't playing" scenarios any team doctor could ever be confronted with.

Player gets head slammed into ground
player staggers to feet, can barely stand
player hobbles to locker room
player says im OK coach, put me in
team doctors and coaches allow him back in and pretend it never happened

Even in High School (as officials plus Conns could back me up as a coach) once we see a player with possible issues like listed above they are removed until a formal eval is performed.

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They were fucking awful is what they were. Tua's injury was the second worst thing about this game. These pajama uniforms were by far the worst.

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that's fine - regardless, whomever let him back in the buffalo game is a loon and to start him again 4 days later seems unnecessarily negligent. and that isn't hindsight being 20/20. His apparent availability for this game seemed questionable to many before last night.

Those uniforms were bad even by bengals standards.

I thought it was both.

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loved the bengals uni except for the orange aura around the names

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I agree that there are real conversations to be had about the agency or responsibility of a player for his own health.

That said, there is a reason why 56 year old trained medical professionals have more control over whether a hyper competitive 25 year old athlete plays than said athlete does. Also there are real issues of employer/employee relationships here.

If I'm an underwater welder and my mindset is to head down and weld, the company has some responsibility not to send me 100 feet down in the middle of a Cat 3 Hurricane.

They should have suspended him for this game for trying to play in it. That would have solved the problem and assigned him some responsibility.