So you're saying that making the playoffs with the best record in the National League, only to get swept by a team that has more playoff experience, is better than a team projected to not even finish in contention for the wild card making the same playoffs and winning at least one postseason game against a far-superior opponent?

What logic are you following, then? Because apparently I have it all wrong.

He's following the "Ima meatball and the Sox still suck" logic. And he's not the only one.

As I stated earlier, anytime a team goes from worst to first, or from a record of 72-90 to almost 90 wins, that season is a success regardless of what happens in the playoffs. This is the same for the '07 Cubs, that year was a success. This year, not at all. Sox were better, and that the end of that chapter.

If we want to go down this meatball road further, we can point to this even. The Cubs played the Rays 3 times this season and did not win a single game (just like the playoffs!). Including the playoffs, the Sox beat the Rays 5 times this year. The Sox also played IN LA, and won 2 of 3 there. Keep making asses of yourselves here guys, its really hilarious.

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You can make up all the stats you want to. The Cubs had a better year Frank. I know it hurts because this is all you have besides a shitty band, but the Cubs had a better year than the Sox. YEAR. Not one playoff game or what they were expected to do. Kenny Williams thought they would win the WS, or else why would he make that comment at the start of the year about Detroit? Your just like Steve thinking "oh we got to the playoffs, good year for us. Yippie. Your no better than him.

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I really have to agree with Frank on this one, gentlemen. There is no way that the Cubs season can be viewed as a success other than the fact that they made the playoffs for a second straight year, which hasn't been done in the North side for quite some time. Other than that, the Sox had the better season. Case closed.

Count me in as a Cub fan then, because the fact that you are hanging your hat on one extra playoff victory as grounds for being better is moronic.

Either you misunderstood my point earlier, or you have gotten off topic. I was not saying the Cubs had a successful season (again, they didn't) - I was saying that the Sox season is not "more successful" than the Cubs. Both were failures.

And I don't care about combining other seasons, or consecutive seasons for that matter, when judging this one. Frank is the one that judges the current season using other seasons.

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Perhaps I did misunderstand then, because I agree that in the grand scheme of things neither side won the World Series. That in and of itself is the whole conversation end.

However, I do also argue that in comparison, the Sox season was a better indication of improvement, thus more of a success than the Cubs team that was SUPPOSED to be that good.

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Oh man I must have stumped your ass on that last post of mine. By no means am I saying that the Cubs had a succesfull year. They failed to do shit in the playoffs and brought about sadness to every Cubs fan this side of E steve. That being said they were still better than the sox.

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Nope. Sox, Cubs, Brewers & Angels had the same season. First round exit.

Sox and Brewers weren't suppose to beat their first round opponent. Both the Sox and Brewers fought their way in. Both has flawed teams and tough injuries. Good season for them. Nobody should celebrate it. I'm not. I want to win a World Series.

Cubs and Angels had disapointing seasons. 97 and 100 wins for those teams. Same boat as the Sox and Brewers. Bad season.

Just because you say "White Sox better than Cubs" doesn't mean you're not just as interested in joining Cubs fans for a pissing contest.

Both teams lost in the first round. And that's that. Turning this into a 6 page argument was unnecessary. But not being from here, I realize that the provincialism, like with any sports town, will reign supreme. It's just the way things go.

Expectations raise with a team that performs above what their projected talent was going to produce. This is also known as overachieving. The Sox overachieved, I think Sox fans can agree with that. That doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs, or that they deserved to be out in the first round. They deserved to be there because they overachieved to get there.

The Cubs underachieved. They played to expectations during the regular season because they had already won their division the year before and had made good acquisitions before and during the season to make them better. But in the post season, they didn't play to the potential of the talent they had.

This thread is still going? At the rate Frank is posting 20k will be here before spring training.

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When we reached the point in the season where the Cubs were getting ready to play the Sox, I posted threads about the Cubs being a better team than the Sox. You (Frank) and many others, argued that the Sox were the better team. Now you want to say the Cubs were clearly better, so that your argument that their failure to get past the first round of the playoffs was much worse than the Sox doing the same, holds water.

If the goal of winning the World Series is the only real goal, both teams failed equally. If the number of wins in the season, whether or not you win a division title,etc...is not really important, then both teams just plain failed. I think both teams did achieve some things that are to be commended, but ultimately, both teams fell short of the ultimate goal. It gives me no consolation that the Sox also failed though. I feel no solace in the fact that the Sox were not able to advance past the first round as well. I just want to see the Cubs win. Whatever other teams might do is not real important. I would have liked to have seen the Sox win for the sake of some friends who root for them, as well as the chance to go see playoff games in the next round here. But this is like 2 guys at a 20 year reunion-One got real fat and the other lost his hair, and they're arguing over who got uglier. Silly...

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If the Sox were BETTER, how is their inability to advance past the first round not the greater disapointment???

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Here's the thing. Sports teams *can* have a successful season without winning it all. This year's Sox was a prime example. They went from worst to first in one year, and clearly have some key pieces in place to get back to the World Series. The ultimate goal is of course winning it all, but more times than not you can't pull a complete 180 and lose 90 games then win the WS the following season. However, you can take steps in that direction and thats exactly what the Sox did this year. The Sox progressed while the Cubs either stayed at the same level or regressed. They are no closer to a World Series now than they were at the end of 2007. The Sox are a great deal closer now than they were at the end of last season. If you can't recognize that, God help you.

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Oh man I must have stumped your ass on that last post of mine. By no means am I saying that the Cubs had a succesfull year. They failed to do shit in the playoffs and brought about sadness to every Cubs fan this side of E steve. That being said they were still better than the sox.[/quote]

You're still here.

They won 88 games this year - that would have tied for 2nd last year. Cleveland had 96 wins in 2007. So, it would have to be as much of a failure of the other teams in the division as it would this "great success" you speak of with the Sox. If Cleveland would have maintained their level of play, and thus the Sox finished tied for 2nd, would this season still be so successful to you?

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I thought you didn't want to base your comparison's to last season? At least you were giving me shit for doing that. Which is it, mr meatball? Can we compare to last year or not?

I've made my points. I'm right. Done with this thread.

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No Frank, he wants to compare this year to a fictitious this year....
Please counter with your own version of this year that didn't happen either.

The Cubs were WS Champs!

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No - I just wanted you to use all of the facts from previous years, instead of just picking and choosing the right minute details in attempt to support you weak stance. I knew ahead of time you wouldn't - that's not the Francis way....

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So now the Sox season is a failure not because they didn't win the World Series, but because Cleveland failed to win as many games as they did in 2007? By that logic, your Cubbies had a hugely successful season because they won a lot more games in '08 than they did in '07.

Keep pulling at straws here.

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It was actually your logic I was using Frank.

I'm done here too - but unlike you, I mean it. Great job staying away

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I've finally got it! How dumb I have been! The Sox get knocked out in the 1st round of the playoffs and their season is a SUCCESS!The Cubs lose in the 1st round and they are a FAILURE! Clear as a bell....I guess the old saying It's not how you start ,but how you finish applies here!

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Spanky & Frank: You guys argue like brothers. Fuckin adorable.

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Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

bickering and arguing is one thing...but doing it without using the proper quote function is just WRONG.

STOP IT!