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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:50 am 
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Was he vaccinated?


Just like you, he was not.


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Was he vaccinated?


Just like you, he was not.

Maybe you should have checked his vaccine card first.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a bad guy
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If a contractor that I paid for asked to talk to my wife instead of me, they would be fired immediately.

Most home improvements can be done by small shops that have the time and the will do what you want. Don't use a mid size shop that spends a lot of money on local TV ads or anyone that seems to have a high turnover rate.

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Maybe you should have checked his vaccine card first.


In 2015? Maybe I should check yours. Is there still a big blank spot where the new bivalent should be?


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Maybe you should have checked his vaccine card first.


In 2015? Maybe I should check yours. Is there still a big blank spot where the new bivalent should be?

I miss the good old days of 2015.

I don't even know where my card is. I only showed it once. I'd have to ask for a new one.

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If a contractor that I paid for asked to talk to my wife instead of me, they would be fired immediately.

Most home improvements can be done by small shops that have the time and the will do what you want. Don't use a mid size shop that spends a lot of money on local TV ads or anyone that seems to have a high turnover rate.


Seems like it would be too hard to coordinate a large project. A lot of subs don't call you back or bother with those projects. Wisconsin might be a bit different, they seem better. Here you could call 10 people 2 or 3 might call you back and then show up. It's weird.


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I don't even know where my card is. I only showed it once. I'd have to ask for a new one.


don't worry, they know. Theyyyyy know


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Best thing you can do these days is to threaten them with a horrible review on any of the social media sites, Angie’s list etc.


Have thought about that and do know a guy who is big in that area and would likely unleash dozens if not hundreds of negative reviews, but will see how it pans out, just never thought construction guys would be so fragile.

We call it service recovery at the good old hospital, have people that get paid tons to teach staff how to deal with direct and blunt questioning.

It was minor compared to some of the stuff I have walked into, but people just want answers and a plan of action to fix things, it's not hard, but you can't be timid and run away.


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IkeSouth wrote:
If a contractor that I paid for asked to talk to my wife instead of me, they would be fired immediately.

Most home improvements can be done by small shops that have the time and the will do what you want. Don't use a mid size shop that spends a lot of money on local TV ads or anyone that seems to have a high turnover rate.


Seems like it would be too hard to coordinate a large project. A lot of subs don't call you back or bother with those projects. Wisconsin might be a bit different, they seem better. Here you could call 10 people 2 or 3 might call you back and then show up. It's weird.


Found that out when looking for a painting guy. I insisted on handling that part of it after the contractor dude could never get his guy to come out and give us a quote, but just expected us to go with him.

The people with company logo shirts were two to four times more expensive than the guy who just does it on his own. Got his name from an accountant friend of ours and she is way more critical than I am, but the dude was completely honest and showed up at 7 AM to work. Got him side work doing pressure washing and deck work from our neighbors who were so impressed by his work.

The contractor we used also outsourced his electric and drywall work and those dudes showed up early got it done. The electrician was there on one of my days off and he had no problem showing me exactly what they were doing and making modifications on the spot.

The issue is with the flooring and cabinets which are being done by the contractors guys who do not exactly have the same work ethic, so they are holding up the completion as we await the flooring and cabinets to be installed.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:49 pm 
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The biggest thing I've learned is never, never, never hire someone who is going to do the work as a side job. You may save money, you may get a good deal, but timing was, this is guaranteed to take forever.
Second thing is if you shop by lowest price, you're going to get exactly what you pay for.

I wouldn't say it's the best option and it's certainly not the cheapest option, but running jobs through Home Depot and Lowes.....their sub-contractors tend to be pretty reliable. I'm guessing the last thing Home Depot wants is a bad reputation review based on some clown that screws customers or doesn't like to show up. I did have one miss here and that was on a plumber they sub-contracted out to install a kitchen sink. That plumber was an idiot. I had to bring out a more qualified union plumber to fix that mess. I'm not fucking around with plumbing....ever. I know one good shop by us and I tend to stick to them. Not the cheapest, but they've done really good work.

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Definitely a lesson learned, the wife does project management in her field all the time, but it was my mistake to let her not let me separate out the flooring portion like I did with the painter. Now have a guy that I will use for quality and timely flooring work when we redo the basement.


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I wouldn't say it's the best option and it's certainly not the cheapest option, but running jobs through Home Depot and Lowes.....their sub-contractors tend to be pretty reliable.
Agreed. Haven't gone this route often, but the few times we have the job has been started and completed as promised and scheduled. Pricing was fair.

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I wouldn't say it's the best option and it's certainly not the cheapest option, but running jobs through Home Depot and Lowes.....their sub-contractors tend to be pretty reliable.
Agreed. Haven't gone this route often, but the few times we have the job has been started and completed as promised and scheduled. Pricing was fair.

Hard Wood Floors
Countertops
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All of these were good experiences through Home Depot and Lowe's. Doors we had issues with the manufacturer.. 2 deliveries and both were defective products. Home Depot was very cooperative and gave us full refund. No hassle. Went to Lowe's and first order everything turned out great.

Electrical, Plumbing, Drywall, and Painting....no chance. There's enough local companies with good reputations to choose from. Drywall may be an outlier, but my real-estate agent has a guy for painting and dry wall and he was fantastic.

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I just used Excel Drywall out of Plainfield and i thought they were awesome
the job was just to hang drywall on the ceiling in 2 bedrooms
But afterward i was planning on painting both rooms- ceiling and walls- and the walls had a lot of nail holes and various patches to do, especially the main bedroom.
They did all of that for me and it wasn't part of the scope of the job, saved me a few hours at least and it looks really nice overall


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I just used Excel Drywall out of Plainfield and i thought they were awesome
the job was just to hang drywall on the ceiling in 2 bedrooms
But afterward i was planning on painting both rooms- ceiling and walls- and the walls had a lot of nail holes and various patches to do, especially the main bedroom.
They did all of that for me and it wasn't part of the scope of the job, saved me a few hours at least and it looks really nice overall


I sure hope the Mexicans you hired from Excel Drywall were Licensed, Bonded and Insured and had all their immigration and tax paperwork in order.


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The dude we have works through the Neighborhood Handyman franchising system. They must provide him with union electricians because it was a head dude and a couple of guys that must have been apprentice electricians.

It was the laborer guys he used for floors and general work that showed up late and left early, guys that just pulled up in personal cars with no tools.

His margin must be in trying to work the area between the expensive expert guys and having a bunch of part timers and a foreman he can pay a bit less.

I could sit the dude down and give him a lesson in how to handle direct and not nessecarily positive feedback, but at this point just want it done and to never see them again.

His FB positive stuff is from former co-workers of his and only one or two every six months, nothing on Yelp yet. It appears he just does smaller jobs like putting in showers or decks, not a total remodel like ours, so he was likely out over his skis, but that is certainly not my issue.


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Caller Bob wrote:
Bagels wrote:
I just used Excel Drywall out of Plainfield and i thought they were awesome
the job was just to hang drywall on the ceiling in 2 bedrooms
But afterward i was planning on painting both rooms- ceiling and walls- and the walls had a lot of nail holes and various patches to do, especially the main bedroom.
They did all of that for me and it wasn't part of the scope of the job, saved me a few hours at least and it looks really nice overall


I sure hope the Mexicans you hired from Excel Drywall were Licensed, Bonded and Insured and had all their immigration and tax paperwork in order.


Of course not, but as my nephew's wife who is Mexican said, "why didn't you just hire a Mexican, it would have been done already".


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sounds like some union bullshit

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Finally pulled the trigger on kitchen remodel and new flooring and paint for entire upstairs.

A fairly costly project, but one the wife has been working with a contractor and kitchen designer with for the better part of two years, never want to look at another kitchen cabinet, color, or floor sample again.

The problem is that the contractor who promised at most a two week project has significantly underdelivered on timelines.

Decided to take a Monday off so I could be there to talk to the contractor and his foreman. I am used to fairly direct and pointed questions given my profession, but these guys seemed shocked that I wanted to see some of the work and was not happy about the delays. There was one thing that was supposed to be done that I asked the foreman about and he said it was done, I showed him that it had not been done and he kind of went into a panic and started saying I need to talk to his boss, to which I said was fine, I will be here today and would welcome an opportunity to talk with him.

The foreman then gathered his tools and said he would not be back until I talked with his boss, I said that was fine and he could stop by or call me.
I did not get a call or visit, so I called the guy and he became very defensive and said I had intimidated his foreman and that he was scared to be at the house with me there. Seemed a bit extreme for a dude asking for proof of work. The contractor said I was too direct and his crew was physically intimidated by me and that he wanted only to talk to my wife about the project, was shocked at how fragile these guys were, expected construction guys to be much tougher.

Am I just a bad guy? Maybe some of the contractors out there can point out where I went wrong.
Intimidated eh...Do you look at all like your avatar?

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I was thinking yesterday about having a list of things taken care of around here. But then I remembered that my guy and his assistants are in Florida for the next month. It's nice not to have to think about who to call for this stuff.

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You usually can not go wrong with the smaller shops as someone mentioned above. We are a small shop, just electrical, but we also only do residential work with other small shops. I have seen the contractors that have no real skilled employees and just sub everything out after smooth talking the customers into a project and they just flat out suck. They generally get good subs but all the shit they try to have their handyman crew do to fill in the gaps is ends up being a mess.

If I were doing a project and someone under 40 showed up to sell me on the project I would show them the door. The best people I have found are a little it older and they are straight forward about the project, the costs and the timeline and do not give a shit if they get the job or not. Never hire anyone desperate for the work. My neighbors just had some shitty company remodel their bathroom in a day. Once the project was finished some assbag from their company went door to door around the neighborhood trying to get more projects. My wife unfortunately answered the door and he rattled off a dozen things they fix on the house. He even tried to give her a quote on replacing the front door that she opened for his dumbass. I would have given him a quote on getting off my fucking property. They also worked out of a fucking mini van. That reminds me that I need to thank my neighbor for that bullshit.

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You usually can not go wrong with the smaller shops as someone mentioned above. We are a small shop, just electrical, but we also only do residential work with other small shops. I have seen the contractors that have no real skilled employees and just sub everything out after smooth talking the customers into a project and they just flat out suck. They generally get good subs but all the shit they try to have their handyman crew do to fill in the gaps is ends up being a mess.

If I were doing a project and someone under 40 showed up to sell me on the project I would show them the door. The best people I have found are a little it older and they are straight forward about the project, the costs and the timeline and do not give a shit if they get the job or not. Never hire anyone desperate for the work. My neighbors just had some shitty company remodel their bathroom in a day. Once the project was finished some assbag from their company went door to door around the neighborhood trying to get more projects. My wife unfortunately answered the door and he rattled off a dozen things they fix on the house. He even tried to give her a quote on replacing the front door that she opened for his dumbass. I would have given him a quote on getting off my fucking property. They also worked out of a fucking mini van. That reminds me that I need to thank my neighbor for that bullshit.


were they vaxxed ?


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