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Nas
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I think I could survive in the woods. It's not something I think would be fun though.

Anyway, I'm not anti-government, like some crazy Libertarian going on about roads and sidewalks. But when government workers are enjoying perks and privileges that those who provide the funds for them are not, you're heading down a bad path. That isn't sustainable.


I hear you, but I don't find a random day off to be some great perk. Besides, if we look hard enough, we could find something that others "enjoy" that we think we should.

We revere police and firemen. Few people would consider them government. Most police never fire a weapon in a 20+ year career, and most firefighters never have to go inside a burning building. They're great gigs to have. They also get far more perks than we do in addition to our tax dollars. I have no problem with it.



I don't revere cops or firefighters. It's a job. And in Chicago a well-paying one with an absurd pension that few get in the private sector. I'm not resentful. Get what you can get. But at some point people won't/can't pay for it. It's not sustainable. Then what?

And I don't think government workers should be unionized. You want to be a PUBLIC SERVANT, be one. You want to serve yourself, get a private job and contribute taxes rather than consuming them.


They're services that we gladly pay for to live in a first world country. With an aging and plateauing population, we'll have to modify many things. #ThanksBoomers

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Turns out Indigenous people deserved to be wiped out because they weren't always nice to one another!

I knew someone here could come up with a solid justification for genocide if they tried. :cheers:


Hate to blow your mind, but humans have been pushing each other off land and stealing each other's resources for thousands of years and the Indigenous People completely wiped out the Neanderthal's, what's happened in the past few hundred years is not exactly out of the ordinary.


Are you sure about this?


The rapidly expanding DNA data is quite interesting, Native Americans have much higher numbers of Neanderthal DNA than Europeans or Africans.

One could certainly speculate with at least someone certainty that the ancestors of the Native Americans intermingled with Neanderthals and eventually wiped them out due to possessing a more evolved brain which allowed for the development of better tools.

New DNA findings are certainly throwing many of the traditionally accepted migration patterns into question.
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Amusing myself imagining JORR trying to figure out how to place an exacta box bet via smoke signal as he lives off the grid in the woods.

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Amusing myself imagining JORR trying to figure out how to place an exacta box bet via smoke signal as he lives off the grid in the woods.



I never box exactas!

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Amusing myself imagining JORR trying to figure out how to place an exacta box bet via smoke signal as he lives off the grid in the woods.



I never box exactas!

You will if you don’t learn how to send proper smoke signals

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Clawmaster wrote:
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Turns out Indigenous people deserved to be wiped out because they weren't always nice to one another!

I knew someone here could come up with a solid justification for genocide if they tried. :cheers:


Hate to blow your mind, but humans have been pushing each other off land and stealing each other's resources for thousands of years and the Indigenous People completely wiped out the Neanderthal's, what's happened in the past few hundred years is not exactly out of the ordinary.


Are you sure about this?


The rapidly expanding DNA data is quite interesting, Native Americans have much higher numbers of Neanderthal DNA than Europeans or Africans.

One could certainly speculate with at least someone certainty that the ancestors of the Native Americans intermingled with Neanderthals and eventually wiped them out due to possessing a more evolved brain which allowed for the development of better tools.

New DNA findings are certainly throwing many of the traditionally accepted migration patterns into question.


So what you are saying is there is absolutely no evidence that Native Americans caused a human specie to go extinct 30,000+ years ago?

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
Turns out Indigenous people deserved to be wiped out because they weren't always nice to one another!

I knew someone here could come up with a solid justification for genocide if they tried. :cheers:


Hate to blow your mind, but humans have been pushing each other off land and stealing each other's resources for thousands of years and the Indigenous People completely wiped out the Neanderthal's, what's happened in the past few hundred years is not exactly out of the ordinary.


Are you sure about this?


The rapidly expanding DNA data is quite interesting, Native Americans have much higher numbers of Neanderthal DNA than Europeans or Africans.

One could certainly speculate with at least someone certainty that the ancestors of the Native Americans intermingled with Neanderthals and eventually wiped them out due to possessing a more evolved brain which allowed for the development of better tools.

New DNA findings are certainly throwing many of the traditionally accepted migration patterns into question.


So what you are saying is there is absolutely no evidence that Native Americans caused a human specie to go extinct 30,000+ years ago?


C'mon Nas, your better than that, surely a man of your ilk can apply a bit of critical thinking here and figure out what happened.

Then again, am told frequently that I tend to overestimate people's abilities, so maybe not?

Maybe this will help, one group is established in an area, let's call them Native Americans, then another group with far superior technology enters the area, we can call them hmm... let's just use Europeans. The new group quickly wipes out the older group because they have not only superior weaponry, but have developed immunity to certain diseases the native group has not, spread diseases which wipe out entire populations.

This is likely what happened, and what has happened throughout human history, and what will continue to happen as long as some form of the human race populates this planet.
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Clawmaster wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Turns out Indigenous people deserved to be wiped out because they weren't always nice to one another!

I knew someone here could come up with a solid justification for genocide if they tried. :cheers:


Hate to blow your mind, but humans have been pushing each other off land and stealing each other's resources for thousands of years and the Indigenous People completely wiped out the Neanderthal's, what's happened in the past few hundred years is not exactly out of the ordinary.


Are you sure about this?


The rapidly expanding DNA data is quite interesting, Native Americans have much higher numbers of Neanderthal DNA than Europeans or Africans.

One could certainly speculate with at least someone certainty that the ancestors of the Native Americans intermingled with Neanderthals and eventually wiped them out due to possessing a more evolved brain which allowed for the development of better tools.

New DNA findings are certainly throwing many of the traditionally accepted migration patterns into question.


So what you are saying is there is absolutely no evidence that Native Americans caused a human specie to go extinct 30,000+ years ago?


C'mon Nas, your better than that, surely a man of your ilk can apply a bit of critical thinking here and figure out what happened.

Then again, am told frequently that I tend to overestimate people's abilities, so maybe not?

Maybe this will help, one group is established in an area, let's call them Native Americans, then another group with far superior technology enters the area, we can call them hmm... let's just use Europeans. The new group quickly wipes out the older group because they have not only superior weaponry, but have developed immunity to certain diseases the native group has not, spread diseases which wipe out entire populations.

This is likely what happened, and what has happened throughout human history, and what will continue to happen as long as some form of the human race populates this planet.


This is likely what happened? Based on what? Neanderthals never living in North America? What happened to neanderthals everywhere else in the world? What group of people slaughtered other species of humans into extinction? Native Americans?

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This is likely what happened? Based on what? What happened to neanderthals everywhere else in the world? What group of people slaughtered other species of humans into extinction? Native Americans?

Homo sapiens is all that's left. Native Americans are homo sapiens. And homo sapiens wiped out neanderthals and denisovans.
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This is likely what happened? Based on what? What happened to neanderthals everywhere else in the world? What group of people slaughtered other species of humans into extinction? Native Americans?

Homo sapiens is all that's left. Native Americans are homo sapiens. And homo sapiens wiped out neanderthals and denisovans.


Natural selection. No evidence Neanderthals ever migrated here.

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Nas wrote:
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This is likely what happened? Based on what? What happened to neanderthals everywhere else in the world? What group of people slaughtered other species of humans into extinction? Native Americans?

Homo sapiens is all that's left. Native Americans are homo sapiens. And homo sapiens wiped out neanderthals and denisovans.


Natural selection. No evidence Neanderthals ever migrated here.

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Nas wrote:
No evidence Neanderthals ever migrated here.
Check the politics and Covid section and see if you're still saying this.

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