Frankly I don't think permanence is a reasonable possibility going forward. With the NFL being primarily t.v. programming now, the fan experience being superior at college and increasingly prep games & then a variety of other factors, I doubt that diehard fandom is likely going forward.

That many parents won't let their sons even play the game until 12-13 is another bad sign imho.

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Fandom was about city, state, school, and community pride. Definitely not lame .

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Yeah, back when people only got 1-2 out of market games and it didn't cost a mortgage payment to take two kids to a game. If not much more.

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Any team that isn't the Sky and the White Sox will get attention for winning a title in Chicago.

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There are many younger fans and fans not as deeply entrenched in Bears tradition or that are frustrated with Bears tradition that would easily jump into a properly marketed AFC team. Would their fandom over equal that of the Bears? Probably not, unless they started winning super bowls right away but there would be plenty to feed a really fun Chicago rivalry.

The bots control the football ticket market.

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If the Jets-Giants rivalry is decades old and still lame I doubt Bears-Jaguars would be all that interesting.

As I said, your description is basically that the Jaguars would be the White Sox in 20-30 years.

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Which further cements that fandom itself is lame. What position did Purdue Rick play on the Boilermakers?

I agree with you - the difference is I dont think the White Sox/Cubs relationship in Chicago and this area is lame. Nor do I think the Jets/Giants relationship. Or the Giants/Eagles which is what pretty much all of New Jersey is. Or Giants/Patriots which is what all of New England is. And I know a second team in Chicago would be a hell of a lot more interesting than a single team in Jacksonville, a team that has no interest from anyone.

White Sox/Cubs is alright but it also has over 100 years of history.
Jets-Giants was a useless fake rivalry.

That's a comparison closer to Packers-Bears.

There is a Giants/Patriots rivalry?

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I think most of the New Englanders who supported the Giants because the Boston Patriots didn't exist yet are dead now. It's like Chicagoans who are still Arizona Cardinals fans.

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You're kidding, right? Its called the state of Connecticut. You do realize the Patriots entire territory was carved out of an existing Giants fan base, right? Or did you think people in Boston and New England just didn't have a rooting interest in football until the Patriots were founded?

Much like Aaron Rodgers with the Bears, Eli- the hammer- has no rivalry with with Brady- the nail.

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You mean the people who were old enough to be football fans in the 1950s?

The Jets and Patriots were created at the same time in the same way.

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no kidding, and they both have succeeded in have successful fan-bases! The same thing would easily work here. i'm not sure what you are arguing, which is a pretty recurring theme with you. We seem to agree, but you are doing it in a very contrary way.

There is no reason to think a second team in Chicago would be successful and the fact that the Patriots and Giants are both able to have a strong fan base in no way shows it can happen.

The Giants-Jets are the only real comparison but the area they play in is far more populated and the Jets are still second class citizens there after 60 years.

We don't agree. A second Chicago team has no built in fanbase besides being the second favorite team of people who live in Chicago but don't root for the Bears.

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LOL ok. Truth is it will likely never happen anyway if the Bears have any say, and not because it wouldn't work. They dont want some other team swooping in here pressuring them to win right under their noses in their old stadium. The market is RIPE for competition even if you incorrectly think it impossible for two teams to co-exist.

Brass tacks. You're saying the Chicago Chargers could not sell out a domed Soldier Field 8 or 9 times a year? TV ratings doesn't matter as those revenues are shared equally.

The Bears and Jaguars pull in roughly the same number of fans a game. If that is the goal then why wouldn't the Jaguars just stay in Jacksonville? Why wouldn't they move them to San Antonio or Louisville or Portland?

With a new domed stadium, and a lot of success, the Chicago Jaguars could one day become as big as the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Are the Lake Michigan Chargers going to own the hypothetically domed soldier field?

No NFL Governor in her right mind is moving a multibillion dollar business into a CPD-owned ruin with a hastily constructed glass roof.

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I wouldn't hastily construct any roof to Soldier Field if my team was moving in. I would invest in whatever improvements need to be made to the current structure and leave it as an outdoor venue. If the Bears want to play indoors in a new dome in the suburbs, MY incoming team would embrace old-school cold-weather football by the lake while all the Bears fans are flocking to the new Bears Mall in Arlington Heights.

There is a "California Lake Michigan" pipeline joke in here somehwere.

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This is a really good point.
I stand by my original statement...the NFL themselves will place the Chargers, Jaguars, or expansion teams anywhere but Chicago. It doesn't grow the game at all to siphon fans from the Bears.

Back to the land of make believe original question....one where a new owner gets his own stadium in Downtown Chicago and the Bears are in Arlington Heights. You bet your ass the downtown stadium would be sold out each home game. Over time I think you'd develop a city v. burbs fan division, but that would take some years to build.

It's not happening, though. The NFL would never go for it. Again...the Chargers are an anomaly and that situation is temporary.

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Your question was flawed. The Chicago Jaguars could draw 60k. The Salt Lake City Jaguars could draw 60k. The Jacksonville Jaguars could draw 60k. The Louisville Jaguars could draw 60k. The Boston Jaguars could draw 60k.

If this argument is if the Chicago Jaguars could physically exist in Chicago then of course they could. To me, the argument is about if they could exist in any way that makes sense for the league or the area.

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I never mentioned the Jaguars. Is that why it's flawed?

Understood. Purdue Rick is making a lameness argument and I'm addressing that. But granted, even that is a stupid argument. There's aren't different degrees of lameness.

I was being kind and using the Jaguars as an example.

Using a team like the Chargers that are outdrawing the Bears by 8k a game is only going to make your question worse.

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