Mostly correct but I'm glad we bought a place and go as often as we can. I enjoy counting the number of trump signs on the 6 mile drive to the supper club and seeing turkey in my yard instead of possums.

And I would rate upper midwest drivers differently. Best to worst:
1. Michigan
2. Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin (TIE)
5. Minnesota

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Not only do you get the sense Michigan drives better than the surrounding states traveling there--the 75 MPH+ speed limits help--but the numbers back it up. Michigan's consistently in the top 3 states in the country in insurance company rankings of drivers. Illinois drivers not far behind. And Missouri does well too, among the quasi-midwestern states. Ohio consistently worst drivers among the rust belt/midwestern states and in the country. Probably part of the reason non-Ohioans hate Ohio people--driving through their state sucks donkey balls. Ohio cops are nazi shitheads who pull you over for 5 over the limit and no one in the state can drive normally.

Best: Michigan/Illinois/Missouri

Worst: Iowa/Wisconsin/Ohio/Minnesota

Indiana jumps around the rankings, usually in the middle of the pack

Driving back and forth from Tennessee to Detroit I switched from taking 75 to 71 to 65 through Hell-hio to 94-69-65 through Indiana and it's usually a more enjoyable drive. Although Indianapolis had insane construction going on last time through which included dead-end closing some of the connecting freeways downtown Indy---who closes an entire interstate for construction? Maybe because of the elevated freeway thing.

The stretch of 71 between 75 and Louisville some of the most fun driving I've had. Never any cops, so you can go as fast as your vehicle permits, with the caveat that if you're doing 110 through those turns and over the hills there's a good chance you'll come around a turn or over a hill and run smack into a slower-moving truck with no easy way around.

As a frequent cross country driver, I agree Ohio is the absolute worst, especially in the stretch between Toledo and Cleveland.

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As a recently frequent cross country driver, it's southern truck drivers, upstate NY and Indiana for me.

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As a daily commuter from northern Lake County, the people of Wisconsin are the scourge of my being. Indiana is a close second...

Michigan drivers are generally quite delightful though.

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Truck drivers in this area aren't great either. Daily I see truckers in the left lane on 294 and the Kennedy.

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Truck drivers are a whole different issue. At one point on my drive to work yesterday morning, we had semis 4 wide in the construction area around 60 and 294. It was delightful

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Chicago expressway drivers are quite talented except for the weekends when the tourists take to the roads. And it only takes a couple JORRs going 54MPH in the left lanes deciding they have an exit coming up in a half mile to fuck things up.

Yes, and trucks. It was a bad mistake to ruin our railway system. Now it's just a disjointed train on the expressways.

crotch rocket riders in any state can GTFO

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where does your daughter go

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Pretty much all motorists suck. Buy a bicycle.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

Virtually all highway traffic issues come down to following too close. I rarely touch my brakes on an expressway because I'm not a half inch from another guy's bumper like I'm driving at Talladega. But idiots behind me get all anxious and want me to close the gap. I suppose so they can arrive at their destination .05 seconds sooner.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

Yeah. I guess I can be more specific, because my family's moved on. Off of County Highway G, on the lake side. There is one of those hilarious manmade "lakes" in the middle of the loop the street network forms there.

I was just in Michigan (east coast of Lake Michigan and Detroit) and the drivers surprised me with how nice they were. The MI drivers I see in MN and WI are always hustling, but I guess they're trying to get back there in a day or less. MN, where I live part-time now, has not so much more aggressive drivers but passive aggressive dipshits. Like you're in a rural area on a four lane highway, and some OPE comes bombing up behind you, tailgates for a few miles, then veers into the left lane and sits in your blind spot until you catch up to slower traffic in the right hand lane. where then, I throw on my blinker and move over, causing them to slow down and throw up their hands in anger.

I enjoy getting there .05 seconds sooner.

I don't want to sound as old as you do, but excessive speeding and braking lead to more maintenance costs.

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You failed.

I know. I've been an old soul who did "young people" shit most of my life. Now, I'm migrating to old man territory far too often for my liking.

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Thank you.
Crotch rocket riders give motorcyclists a really bad rep.

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This is exactly right. Ask any trucker and they'll tell you the same thing.

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Nashville has to be the worst of this country outside of LA. Permanent gridlock.

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LA is the undisputed #1.

My experience doesn't cover all cities, but Atlanta and Dallas are worse than Chicago.

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Yeah, Atlanta is heinous. I think I-75 is 12 lanes wide in each direction and it still can be a parking lot.

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Even during the pandemic, it was a parking lot.

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Atlanta was horrible even when they expanded 75/85 back in the day. Thankfully I lived in NE Atlanta and could get off before hitting what passes for downtown.

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As much as I love Houston, I always forget how painful the traffic is there. Even at 6am.

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Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, all cities with poor zoning and a lack of robust public transit. Of course Chicago traffic can't be worse.

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Atlanta's crazy bad when it comes to urban planning. I think they just throw down new roads wherever some developer requests them. They have surface streets running parallel to other roads but you can't easily go from one to the other--even tho they are 20 feet apart.

Dallas is fine if you're in the city itself. Not much traffic and plenty of unused roads. It's when you go outside the city to where the people and jobs are that traffic snarls to a standstill on a limited number of roads. The Deep Ellum constant boom/bust cycle has to be drug related. It goes from being a grungy bar and music venue district a la Wickertucky in the 90's-early 2000's with constant crime to a Bucktown style high end retail and dining district with constant crime and then it all falls back to the bar/music/crime thing every 5 years or so.

I love it when you analyze

St. Louis is the home of Budweiser. It's an incredibly hard working town. We need to have signs indicating we have these products and have our bartenders be able to pour a proper beer to even have a chance at succeeding. Phil, head behind the bar. Chef, take a look at the kitchen. We have to see exactly how low these water levels are. I'm not sure even *I* can save you now.

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There are very few large houses. The vast majority of people that live here full time and that vacation here in second homes have small places with trailers being the most common form of housing. I purposely avoided a McMansion and targeted 1,800-2,500 square feet. I ended up being a 2,200 square foot log cabin. I agree that some build these crazy houses to visit a few times a year.

CH is somewhat right in that Castle Rock is exactly three hours from MSP and ORD and 2.5 hours from Milwaukee's airport. Perfectly in the middle.

The man made lake guy is an eccentric. I met him at the lake and home show. He advertises his properties as being by Castle Rock and on a lake. But he has built ponds with beaches. It is quite funny how many people fall for it. You buy a few blocks from a 14,000 square foot lake to live on a pond....

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