Are you related to this guy?

Well they just kicked the shit out of the Celtics so I'm gonna go with Billy D on this one.

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Sounds like PWills version of Lavar Ball.

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You can go with whoever you like. It still doesn't change the fact that Billy D is fucking the kid over.

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Nah that was more like you last year trying to make the case for bum ass Coby White. A guy that had a much larger "sample size" than this kid has right now.

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I don't get it. You want them to run plays specifically for this guy instead of Vuc, DD, and LaVine? Why?

Of course he's the 5th option. I don't even think he's that. AND I LIKE THE GUY!

They're doing alright. What has he shown to deserve that?

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Because the Only way for the team to become a contender is if this kid develops into a stud. I have seen the Zach Lavine movie and the sequel. Team couldn't sniff the playoffs with him as the best player. Derozan led teams have made the playoffs with him as the best player and so have Vooch's. But there is a ceiling with those 2 guys as the best players. Williams is a wild card and the dude with by far the most "upside" of anyone on the roster.

He has shown immense talent though only in spurts. But more importantly they invested an extremely high draft pick on the kid and they have to see if he is worth it or not. I believe that he is based on what I have seen of him. There is a reason that he looks like a completely different player when he isn't surrounded by the 3 guys with high usage rates. And it isn't just because he is being matched up against scrubs either. Its because they put the ball in his hands in the middle of the floor and allow him to make a play instead of standing around in the corner looking for kickout 3 point shots.

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I hope you’re right because they need him.

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Dr Ken, I've also asked if LTG is related to the players he so vociferously defends. In my case it was kyrie part time Irving. It's almost fatherly like. It's typical LTG tunnel vision which leads to the overall incoherency of his position. The gist of LTG's position is you should trade DeRozan, lavine, and Vuc because it's only then you'll see what Williams can do. Of course more sensible people would say the team should make space for Williams within the confines of the current roster so the team can take the next step. And they've done that. The dude is STARTING. I understand and agree with TM's point that Williams is playing out of position. Still, Williams has to show up. He hasn't. Eddy Curry made more of an impact and he didn't even jump for rebounds.

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Its their only shot to contend. Even if he comes along they still will need to Jettison Javonte Green and Coby White for more backup size at the 4. They need an athletic and much taller 4 man to backup the Paw even if he plays better. You can't play Javonte Green in the playoffs with due to his offensive and defensive limitations. And I still would like to see the Paw play his natural (3) position some too. Billy D should start him at the 4 and then move him to the 3 whenever Derozan goes to the bench but unfortunately I think he is married to those wacky 3 and sometimes 4 guard lineups of his.

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It's positionless basketball and he's not the only one doing it. By suggesting Williams play the 3 when DeRozan is out you are unwittingly endorsing KC Johnson's suggestion to bring Williams off the bench. You just dismissed that position a few posts ago. More incoherence.

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Ben Simmons is a liability: check
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In fact "Propagandist Vegan", I don't advocate for trading any of the 3 guys you just mentioned. Not that it much matters to you as you obviously have to push another of your cockamamie narratives once again. I actually am one of the few guys here who happened to champion those 3 over the past 2 years.

I just believe that having Derozan and Lavine alternate between isos game after game will not lead to long term success. It will win you a few games during the regular season but flameout once the playoffs start.

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Reading is a skill. I clearly stated for Billy D to start him at the 4 and then move him to the 3 when Derozan goes to the bench. And "positionless" "Militialess". Those lineups do nothing come playoff time. The Bulls got murdered by Milwaukee because they didn't have size. They got murdered by Cleveland the other night because they didn't have size on the floor. Wizards were also a bigger team as well. You aren't going anywhere by playing a lineup full of midgets game in and game out.

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I'm no basketball expert, but I agree with Link here. Williams is only in his second year and he's a 4. There isn't a better 4 option on the roster. You put him out there and let him develop. The Bulls aren't defending anything....they're supposed to be an up and coming team. They invested in him....you gotta live with it. Give him the minutes and give him the damn ball.

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You are clearly suggesting that Williams can't develop because DeRozan and Lavine are in his way. In the same breath you assert you have no problem with DeRozan or LaVine. You've also said the Bulls should take the ball out of the hands of two MVP candidates, hand it to an unproven 21 year old , and "get out of his way". As if that is totally rational behavior.

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You do know he's starting, right?

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Yeah and splitting minutes with 2 dudes that aren't even NBA players.

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I think we all agree we need to see more from him. The disagreement seems to be that Link thinks the issue is on the coach. Myself and Doc think he needs to take some initiative to be more aggressive.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Why is Williams being pulled for a guy you think doesn't belong in the NBA? Because he's not doing anything.

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Rfdc has vegans on ignore. Sad!

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my apologizes. Doc, Vegan and I think he needs to be more aggressive.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Its known as a redefining or recalibrating of roles. It happens on all teams. He is playing on a team with 3 guys that have usage rates of over 24% and people wonder why he isn't doing anything. There was no bigger fan of Lavine or Vooch on here. And that includes you by the way. The Best way for the Bulls to be successful in the post season however; is by any of the 3 aforementioned guys dominating the ball every game. It is ONLY going to happen by this kid becoming a stud.

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I think Ayo is becoming a stud. Focus on him. Develop him.

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Spot starter at best. You can focus on him if you'd like however

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I think I might.

He's shooting 50% from three and got 22/6 against the Celtics yesterday.

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Ok I just focused on him and see that his assist totals (2.8 per game) are putrid for a starting NBA point guard. I'm pulling for him as a local kid and a guy that had to grind his way to the NBA in order to make it.

But future star he ain't. Solid backup in the making if that floats your boat.

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This guy’s bad stat: he sucks
This guy with a bunch of bad stats: not used right, probably All-NBA otherwise.

It floats my boat if an assigned career backup can drop 22/6 against the best defensive team in the league.

But PWill was like -19 last night.

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Hyperbolic much dude?

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If the Bulls were to put both players on the market tomorrow one guy would still fetch a couple of first rounders while the other would fetch an expiring contract. Pretty much sums up what their respective "values" happens to be now doesn't it?

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Hyperbolic much dude?